Starting with this post:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/44999037

Continues here:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/45035437

More posts discussing the fallout:

Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is ‘overblown and misrepresented’

Dbzer0 admin casually defending Uyghur genocide denial because “libs worse”, yikes

Banned from meanwhileongrad for “No db0 allowed”.

On Dbzer0, ‘harassing mods’ is when you criticize the top admin of .ml for responding to a Wiki link with a Lemmy search

Does lemmy.ml own db0? db0 denies the Uyghur genocide, begins to backtrack that maybe there are human rights abuses, and then immediately backs off as soon as lemmy.ml admin, Davel, steps in.

Tankie bar, db0, will remove your comments and ban you if you criticise lemmy.ml admin, Davel, for denying the Uyghur genocide

When the tankie bar, db0, is pushed about communists purging peasants, Davels swoops in with dehumanisation. Also, if you bring up the Holodomor then you’re a nazi.

Removed false allegations against goat from a post on db0

An anarchist tankie did a write-up of the constant use of ‘degenerate’ as an insult specifically in the MoG comm

Another anarchist tankie did a write-up of the situation

More links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886

https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703/234360

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/338067

  • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    7·
    6 days ago

    This is just going around in circles, China isnt causing mass starvation nor flattening nearly every building in Turkistan its still bad what is happening but practically which one can we sooner do something about and what is the most imminent risk to a population outright carpet bombing, shootings and starvation or a shitty tankiestate using authoritarian measures to hack away at a culture quite slowly while at the same time investing in some infrastructure and public services in the region.

    Again I dont see how unruffled was denying that China was doing shit, you’re grasping at straws.

    And I simply dont see tankie campist related shit mass upvoted on /0 coms it doesn’t happen, maybe you’re confusing something that tankies & anarchists can agree on and is somewhat popular in both circles as a tankie concept.

    And no the early Wismar legislature was not 90% socialist, if you’re being generous and assume the SPD was genuinely left wing (not really IMO, was still beholden to capital interests) then at most it was about 45% “left” wing.

    Zentrum, DNVP, DDP etc all had a signficiant chunk (conservatives, right wing nationalists & milquetoast liberals).

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      26·
      6 days ago

      This is just going around in circles, China isnt causing mass starvation nor flattening nearly every building in Turkistan its still bad what is happening but practically which one can we sooner do something about and what is the most imminent risk to a population outright carpet bombing, shootings and starvation or a shitty tankiestate using authoritarian measures to hack away at a culture quite slowly while at the same time investing in some infrastructure and public services in the region.

      Okay? That’s no reason to fucking deny or downplay it.

      Again I dont see how unruffled was denying that China was doing shit, you’re grasping at straws.

      My previous comparison:

      “China is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Uyghurs, but it’s nothing like the genocide Israel is waging”, saying that Chinese influence in Myanmar is a more serious violation by the PRC than the Uyghur genocide is, and leveling a judgement of “PTB” - “Power Tripping Bastard” - towards the moderator of [MeanwhileOnGrad] for banning someone who was literally denying the Uyghur genocide.

      Combined, that’s pretty distinctly defending Uyghur genocide denial, and I would say right up on the border of denying Uyghur genocide themselves.

      If I said, “Israel is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Palestinians, but it’s nothing like the genocide the Nazis waged”, would you regard that as:

      A. Borderline genocide denial of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people by reducing the ongoing genocide to something that is simply ‘shitty and authoritarian’ while noting that ‘real’ genocide is more than that

      OR

      B. Just making casual comparisons

      And I simply dont see tankie campist related shit mass upvoted on /0 coms it doesn’t happen, maybe you’re confusing something that tankies & anarchists can agree on and is somewhat popular in both circles as a tankie concept.

      Upvoted pro-genocide comments on a single recent Dbzer0 thread:

      Downvoted anti-genocide comments on a recent Dbzer0 thread:

      (note also the upvoted comparison of Uyghur genocide to white genocide conspiracy theories)

      Genocide denial left up:

      Upvoted denial of UN-verified sexual assault:

      I can wade into Flippanarchy and get you plenty of examples from there too, if you like.

      And no the early Wismar legislature was not 90% socialist, if you’re being generous and assume the SPD was genuinely left wing (not really IMO, was still beholden to capital interests) then at most it was about 45% “left” wing.

      I’m referring to the elected Russian government that the Bolsheviks overthrew - the Bolshevik overthrow being what the Spartacist Uprising explicitly sought to imitate.

      • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        71·
        6 days ago

        Again I dont see unruffled denying it nor downplaying it.

        Also nice cherrypicked screenshots lmao, im done you refuse to engage in anythng resambling good faith.

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15·
          6 days ago

          Again I dont see unruffled denying it nor downplaying it.

          So if I said “Claims of Palestinian ‘genocide’ are mostly overblown and misrepresented by the left”, and note ‘genocide’ in quotes, something which anyone with any decency in their body would recoil from, you, on the other hand, would regard that as neither a denial nor downplaying?

          Also nice cherrypicked screenshots lmao, im done you refuse to engage in anythng resambling good faith.

          They’re cherrypicked screenshots because… I demonstrated exactly what you said didn’t happen on dbzer0?

          • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            51·
            6 days ago

            Yes they are cherry picked, very rarely does that happen it simply doesn’t happen en masse. Note how the tankie had a heap of downvotes along with upvotes & frankly a single comment with two.upvotes is really stretching the “/0 is tankie hurr durr” narrative you’ve concocted in your head.

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              14·
              6 days ago

              Yes they are cherry picked, very rarely does that happen it simply doesn’t happen en masse.

              So how many more examples do you want?

              Oh, what am I saying? No number of examples would be enough.

              Note how the tankie had a heap of downvotes along with upvotes

              Oh, it’s fine to have a majority in favor of tankie positions, as long as there are some dissenters along with it. I guess the Holodomor denial with one downvote is okay too.

              & frankly a single comment with two.upvotes is really stretching the “/0 is tankie hurr durr” narrative you’ve concocted in your head.

              I specifically noted that one not as upvoted, but as genocide denial left up by the admins. Sorry that you didn’t read what I posted?

              • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                41·
                6 days ago

                Extremely weak examples on a com thats often visited by other instances… this is now coming across as pure seethe from you. They’re still getting challenged and often made to look like clowns, and you are 100% cherry picking with the given examples when looking at the entire /0 instances attitudes and views strongly oppose tankie rethoric.

                And im partially skim reading because I have a job and am getting ready to go to it, my apologies I dont have all day to sit around stirring drama and posting on a federated version of reddit.

                • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  25·
                  6 days ago

                  Extremely weak examples on a com thats often visited by other instances… this is now coming across as pure seethe from you. They’re still getting challenged and often made to look like clowns,

                  They’re literally not getting challenged, unless one downvote and no responses from dbzer0 users is ‘getting challenged and often made to look like clowns’.

                  and you are 100% cherry picking with the given examples when looking at the entire /0 instances attitudes and views strongly oppose tankie rethoric.

                  So if I go to Flippanarchy and give you the same kind of shite, will you cede the point?

                  • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                    52·
                    6 days ago

                    https://sh.itjust.works/post/45124493 Nope I will not “cede the point” even when goat was trying to start shit via posting about the CCP crackdowns note how the vast majority of /0 agreed with the post.

                    Anyways I need to go to work and I’ve had my fill of your condecending smugness for today.