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    Americans actually do shoot quite well, but the rules around gun handling are incredibly strict for Olympic shooting.

    Things like minor celebrations, emotion, or even the cadence of your walk while leaving the range can cause disqualification.

    Since American shooters can’t hit a bullseye without shotgunning a beer and magdumping into the sky as eagles carry exploding fireworks in celebration, they often do not place in Olympic shooting

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      “I can tolerate precision shooting, but I draw the line at emotional regulation!”

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      Or in other words, what’s missing from our country’s gun use is respect.

      The vast majority of our issues with gun violence is the fact that we disrespect guns almost as much as each other, they’re just another crass tool for achieving a feeling, like power, masculinity, reassurance and comfort. So then guess what happens when you flood the streets with more guns than every other developed nation combined?

      We are a nation of undisciplined shooters, they may shoot “quite well” in some cases, but for every shooter who does quite well at hitting a target you have several thousand who have no idea how to shoot, AND have no clue about gun safety, respect and responsible ownership.

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        Well, sure, but you don’t send a random selection of citizens to the Olympics. You send the best.

        The nation with the most gun owners per capita and a huge population should have many pinnacle-tier shooters, even if it also has many bad ones. So the question is, why aren’t they at the Olympics?

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          Honestly? Opportunity. It starts with money, or willingness for you or your parents to give up everything that isn’t training.

          I was in the service with some incredible shots. I’ve been on the range with some pretty incredible shots. Most of them would never have the opportunity for any number of reasons.

          Some of that comes down to simply money. Flavor Flav is sponsoring our women’s water polo team because some of them were working three jobs while training to stay afloat. Not everyone wants to or even can do that.

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          A lot of the people who would be excellent at shooting have no interest in specifically Olympic shooting or training for the type of shooting required, unfortunately. That, and the military has probably poached the best of the best, and don’t want to show what “best of the best” shooting looks like for strategic reasons.

          (side note, happy cake day!)

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        smells like the gymnastics problem to me, incredibly strict ruling and doing things “too dangerous” will get points knocked off to me.

        You certainly don’t need to a fucking psychopath to shoot guns respectfully, but you also shouldn’t be deranged either.

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        Respect is a big part of it. Another problem is that they aren’t seen as actual tools. They’re probably more often a male enhancement device than a tool.

        They should be viewed as a tool for the production of meat, for the efficient removal of varmints. In the worst case they are a tool for the defense of self or others. That worst case scenario is actually very rare.

        Tools and toys can be interchangeable. However: some pretty strict laws govern the use of toys like sports cars.

        My shooting tools are mostly polymer stocked or gripped. Plain, cheapest base model I can get. Then I take them apart and work on the mechanisms to make them mine. I don’t have a lot of them, just have a few for my particular use cases.

        I really like them. I get pleasure from using my tools. I also really like my lathe and my daily driver small truck. I’ve also taken them apart and worked on them.

        I think this attitude should be required if one is going to own and be responsible for such a dangerous tool. There should be an interview process or something to weed out dumb fucks and the mentally unstable. After all, the militia was supposed to be well regulated. It’s not particularly complicated.

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      The Olympic venue is probably intimidating when you’re used to using schools as shooting ranges.

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      yeah i was gonna ask, do we even have a team that runs for this? I feel like we would’ve heard about it otherwise, yknow, being american and all that.

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        Remember that in modern countries she wouldn’t be allowed to carry that

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          I’d say that really depends on the country. Unless you don’t consider Czechia or Switzerland modern.

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            You can get a permit to carry a gun in Switzerland if you actually have a good reason for it, like being a security guard. Otherwise you can transport it to your shooting range as long as it isn’t loaded. So I wouldn’t really say she could carry that in this context.

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              Also walking around with a gun is very frowned upon in Europe, even when there’s a reason.

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      she looks like an arena shooter character.

      i bet she can go partially invisible for 20 seconds with a cooldown of 7 and throws mad stun bombs

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      I don’t have the slightest idea what I am looking at other than a girl holding a gun in a way that looks painful

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        The rule is you have to hold it single handed. Then everything follows logic, you need to have the arm fully extended to be more stable. You need to keep your eye behind the iron sights. etc. Try it out yourself, extend your arm and see if you can find a more stable position.

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          Incredible. I just used my sons nerf toys, and there’s just no way to do it to line everything up without leaning to get your head at the level with the pistol.

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        The gun itself is the painful looking part. I’ve never seen a pistol that wraps around your thumb like that. Her stance seems perfect, give or take a little lean.

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            No, I’m critiquing the other poster that was critiquing her posture, which as I mentioned is exemplary.

            Reading comprehension is hard, but it’s never too late to learn.

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                OHHHHH GOODNESS HOW COULD I FORGET THAT LEANING 3 DEGREES IN A DIRECTION WOULD GET YOU DISQUALIFIED.

                Tell me you’re angry over innocuous details without telling me you’re a nitpicky assinine idiot. Please, I’ll wait.

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                  Meh, you critiqued, and said you didn’t. Own it I guess.

                  And angry, no, not worth my time. Pedantic? Sure.

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      Don’t be rude.

      The venue could also be a populated street, a supermarket, or a playground. Our mass shootings aren’t just limited to helpless school children.

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    American shooting is a lot more flash than precision.

    Legitimately there’s a category of shooting sports that’s about the most efficient use of WWI trenchgun style slam firing, which is basically abusing the reload speed on that class of shotgun to convert it into a semi-auto.

    We literally made a sport out of what the enemy tried to get classed as a war crime as an act of spite and you’re wondering why we not so good at traditional marksmanship? It’s a level of decorum that America was basically founded as a fuck you against.

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      I mean, the Olympic version of traditional marksmanship is using a lightweight pellet gun that can’t be holstered with a $5,000 customized hand grip and little eyeglass oculars.

      You make the competition with a glock 22 and allow 5 seconds to empty the clip and it’s a different competition.

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    Not to take anything anyway from the Olympic athletes who are incredibly talented at their sport, but their sport doesn’t resemble the practical shooting of real guns.

    There are actual competitons for that, such as the International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC) world shoots. The U.S. is much better represented in these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPSC_Handgun_World_Shoots

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    We’re good shooting at crowds, not in front of them on display. Just makes it too weird.

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    Competition shooter here. Olympic shooting is boring as hell.

    Americans place really well in IPSC, USPSA, and 3gun.

    The IPSC rifle world shot is happening right now in Finland.

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    Even Guatemala got their first ever gold metal and it was on shooting and she broke the Olympic record.

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      As someone who has played league of legends for over a decade without any notable improvement, I can fully relate.