• Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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    4 months ago

    They’re implying you’re lying to yourself.

    About what?

    You keep saying everything like you have a solution but won’t say what it is.

    Already told you what the solution is.

    It’s idiotic because no bully is going to stop bullying you because you stop fighting back especially when they want something you have.

    The bully that bullies people in Ukraine is Zelensky though.

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      4 months ago

      That cedeing to a country that openly plans to retake its former Soviet borders will somehow dispite all logic result in Russian withdrawal and lasting peace.

      Now, you’ve said peace talks. No one has stopped those and it’s no surprise fighting still has not stopped.

      You sure it isn’t the people literally blowing up Ukrainians. If Russia is so altruistic when then do they not see these “desperate prisoners of war” and give them mercy by withdrawimg from Ukraine since as your source says they are there killing civilians… Children… For a fucking political stunt.

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        That cedeing to a country that openly plans to retake its former Soviet borders will somehow dispite all logic result in Russian withdrawal and lasting peace.

        If anything, the initial proposal was about Russia cedeing territory that it has captured (since 2022 invasion) to Ukraine, not the other way around.

        No one has stopped those

        No one has been doing any serious peace talks after the initial ones either.

        You sure it isn’t the people literally blowing up Ukrainians

        Those as well, but you have to deal with more immediate problem first.

        If Russia is so altruistic

        Where did I say that?

        they are there killing civilians…

        Ukraine does it as well.

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          4 months ago

          Point to where it says cedeing territory.

          to yield or grant typically by treaty

          Russia won’t involve themselves without certain base demands that are never going to happen and remember they are invaders in a sovereign nation they started a war with to pressure NATO and pressure Ukraine out of joining NATO.

          More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?

          Your argument only works if they are at heart basically altruistic, otherwise simply stopping fighting back would simply result in a dramatic unopposed military defeat likely of the entire country so Ukraine could never join NATO. You know, that being their goal as per your sources.

          Remind me, did Ukraine start the war? Would there be any civilian war casualties if there weren’t a war?

          Again, childish short-sighted bullshit.

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            4 months ago

            Point to where it says cedeing territory.

            to yield or grant typically by treaty

            Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.

            More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?

            People being kidnapped on the streets or being sent to die.

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              4 months ago

              You have 4 subjects and that sentence doesn’t make sense for any of them, can you try it again but you know … better.

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                  That makes sense for one of those quotes, do you want to link them together into a coherent thought the people that aren’t voices in your head can understand as the language known as English. Can we do that?