ShoahUkraine
This person’s inbox must be absolutely exhausting. Banderites, comrades, zionists, antisemites (
), liberals who don’t realize they’re banderites, liberals who don’t realize they’re comrades, Oakley People from across the entire US cop/IDF/Azov spectrum.They’re an outstanding historical and educational resource.
Here they seem to conflate the Red Army with Russians which is deeply ignorant and ahistorical:
https://x.com/ShoahUkraine/status/1710502497285177472
Many people have asked me why I sound like I admire the Red Army. Well, why wouldn’t I admire the Red Army? 90% of world Jewry wouldn’t be alive today if it weren’t for the sacrifices they made! More Russians died in the defense of Stalingrad than the total British and American deaths combined for the entire war!
While Ukrainians, Latvians, Romanians, Lithuanians, etc., were enthusiastic about serving their German masters and rounding up Jews, it was the Red Army that, at great cost to themselves, defeated this Nazi evil.
Russians only constituted 2/3 of the Red Army, which also included millions of Ukrainians, hundreds of thousands of Balts, and plenty of other nationalities: https://imgur.com/a/mCyl1
Just as there were Russians, Belarrussians, and other Soviets eagerly serving Nazis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_the_German-occupied_Soviet_Union
(Edit) Another pearl from them, addressing Ukraine as a whole:
Let me make this clear: You were not victims of the Third Reich. You did not suffer just as Jews or Soviet POWs. You pledged allegiance to Hitler and were the perpetrators in mass genocides! And we will not let you rewrite history and play as if you were the victims!
This is asinine. Nazis viewed Ukrainians as subhumans only fit for slavery and extermination. Vast majority of Ostarbeiters, slaves sent to Nazi Germany from Eastern Europe, were Ukrainians, millions of them. Millions more were killed, Ukraine losses were immense.
Ukraine is one of the primary victims of the Third Reich, along with Belarussia.
Here they seem to conflate the Red Army with Russians which is deeply ignorant and ahistorical:
This is a good point, but she is literally responding to people today, in the context of modern Ukraine’s avowed Nazism. This is dealt with in that very thread. Plus your measurements are that of the Ukrainian superstate, and not a breakdown of its nations. Many of these “Ukrainian” deaths will have been at the hands of Ukrainian Nazis.
There’s Ukraine, and there’s “Ukraine”.
Let me make this clear: You were not victims of the Third Reich. You did not suffer just as Jews or Soviet POWs. You pledged allegiance to Hitler and were the perpetrators in mass genocides! And we will not let you rewrite history and play as if you were the victims!
Yes this is obviously incorrect.
This is asinine. Nazis viewed Ukrainians as subhumans only fit for slavery and extermination. Vast majority of Ostarbeiters, slaves sent to Nazi Germany from Eastern Europe, were Ukrainians, millions of them. Millions more were killed, Ukraine losses were immense.
But now you’re guilty of the same omission. Where is your mention of the Banderites etc.?
I am not sure how ethnic Russians of Ukraine view Ukrainians there , I mean there is a huge fall out between who is an ethnically pure Ukrainian or a Russian. These Donbassians , Odessa people all have Ukrainian roots but they claim to be more Russian or have affinity towards Russian language. Whereas those who proclaim they are Ukrainian in today’s context it explicitly means they have pro western banderite position.
So when Russian speakers say something like you don’t understand the pain of jews or POWs , they are talking about ideological Ukrainians not the ethnically ones , there are also ethnic Russians who have attested their faith towards Bandera in Ukraine too.
Yeah exactly. Not everyone who was traditionally part of the Ukrainian state was of the same nation.
I understood this when I interacted with an Ukrainian man from Russia who was born and brought up in USSR. He explicitly stated people like him will be butchered straight way in current Ukraine.
she is literally responding to people today, in the context of modern Ukraine’s avowed Nazism
no? the post is about WW2 and they end it with “None of this relates to current geopolitical issues”
Ukrainian superstate, and not a breakdown of its nations
There’s Ukraine, and there’s “Ukraine”.
what are you smoking mate? no there’s just Ukraine.
regions of Ukraine speaking Russian language to different extent doesn’t mean Ukraine is made up of several nations
are parts of Ireland where English is mainly spoken actually England to you?
But now you’re guilty of the same omission. Where is your mention of the Banderites etc.?
Existence of Banderites is irrelevant to the question of whether Ukraine as a whole can be considered a victim of Nazi Germany.
10 million Ukrainians were killed by Nazis, 2.5 millions were enslaved, 5 million served in the Red Army. Compare that to ~200 thousand or so Wehrmacht collaborators.
Don’t let neonazis rewrite history.
no? the post is about WW2 and they end it with “None of this relates to current geopolitical issues”
Yes. I don’t care what the post is about. Again, she is literally responding to people today, in the context of modern Ukraine’s avowed Nazism.
what are you smoking mate? no there’s just Ukraine.
regions of Ukraine speaking Russian language to different extent doesn’t mean Ukraine is made up of several nations
That’s quite literally, in every way, exactly what that means. I don’t know what to say to you if we can’t work off of basic definitions of words.
are parts of Ireland where English is mainly spoken actually England to you?
No but the Travelling community, an Mincéirí, who have their own dialect would be their own nation within Ireland. It doesn’t need to be a language. The nation of Islam, the Sioux nations… these all speak English in the USA. etc. Ukraine, the state, was a bad idea because it was comprised of so many nations, historically separated by culture and language. Blame Lenin and Kruschev.
Existence of Banderites is irrelevant to the question of whether Ukraine as a whole can be considered a victim of Nazi Germany.
You can’t talk about Ukraine as a whole, is my point.
10 million Ukrainians were killed by Nazis, 2.5 millions were enslaved, 5 million served in the Red Army. Compare that to ~200 thousand or so Wehrmacht collaborators.
And today over 70% of them subscribe to Nazism. These are the people being spoken to in the tweet.
Don’t let neonazis rewrite history.
I hope you’re not calling the twitter poster a neo Nazi here.
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I don’t understand your title - are you saying Banderites saved Jewish children by hiding them from the SS in caves?
Sarcasm about the fascist rewriting of Ukraines history
Right, makes sense!
The Banderoids shot the kids?
No, I think if the title is sarcastic, what they meant was that not all Ukrainians are Banderites, for instance the ones who hid Jewish children in caves to save them from the SS were not Banderites.
I meant who did the shooting of their parents. Most of the killings in Ukraine was done by OUN and UPA militia.
I don’t…are they implying the Russians killed a bunch of Jewish noncombatants?
Einsatzgruppen were Nazi mobile death squads. The poster is simply saying that the neighbors of the children hid them away before their parents were caught and executed by the Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen . They were involved in Babi Yar massacres . " After being marched three kilometres (two miles) northwest of the city centre, the victims encountered a barbed wire barrier and numerous Ukrainian police and German troops" OUN and UPA were definitely involved in these
Ok? That’s not exactly what’s being discussed here. The other commenter thought that the tweet was implying that the Soviet troops were the one’s who executed the children’s parents. I just clarified that the original tweeter said that they were killed by Nazis, not Soviets.
Yeah that’s also what I meant.
No, Ukrainians.
