'Non balneabile': What are the face covering bans across Europe?
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A group of Muslim women wearing modest beach wear were harassed by a group of women in northern Italy claiming that they can’t go in the water with their clothing.
  • Chipthemonk@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Burkas need to go. Women should have equal rights to men. Modern Islam interpretations don’t believe in equal rights and many women are forced to cover up. Fuck that. As more people come into the west seeking something better, they need to abandon some of their culture that is retrogressive. Burkas as retrogressive. It’s weird how many in the west, particularly on the far left, think it’s important to maintain burkas. I think a person should be able to wear whatever they want, fundamentally, but I’m confident that many of these women didn’t choose to cover up their whole life.

    • lukzak@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      I know it’s just an anecdote, but I’ve know quite a few Muslim women that prefer to wear it. I’ve also met many who don’t like to wear them. Is it really fair to ban it for the ones that actually choose to wear it?

      Women choosing to dress conservatively isn’t exactly something foreign to Italians. Let’s not forget that nuns also wear very similar clothing and cover their hair. That’s not so different from a hijab.

      • Chipthemonk@lemm.eeEnglish
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        1 year ago

        I’m happy to ban religious veils like nun hats (whatever they are called) and burkas/burqas as problematic religious symbols of misogyny. These religious relics are embedded deep into a culture and that part of the culture is misogynistic and discriminatory.

        I don’t know, but I would bet many of the women that “prefer” wearing them prefer it because they believe they would be shunned otherwise from their support system. They “prefer” it in part because they don’t know anything different, and their own community has enforced it as soon as they went through puberty. What does it even mean to prefer something when you haven’t ever experienced not wearing it for an extended time without all your local support group shunning you? Is that really a preference?

        But you can’t tell me these things are always comfortable. They look miserably uncomfortable in many situations and must cause a lot of undue heat and such. But the culture that forced these women to wear them runs deep. That part of culture needs to be eradicated.

        • ricecake@beehaw.orgEnglish
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          1 year ago

          We should also ban long hair.

          I’m sure plenty of women only prefer to have long hair because they think they would be shunned or stan out if they cut it short.

          I’m all for people getting to wear their hair like they want, but I’m confident that many women would actually prefer to wear their hair short, and so can’t be trusted to make that choice for themselves or express an honest opinion about it.

          The first step in women’s liberation is making it clear that they lack agency and that other people know what’s best for them.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I think a person should be able to wear whatever they want, fundamentally, but I’m confident that many of these women didn’t choose to cover up their whole life.

      Why don’t you go talk to some Muslim women and actually seek their opinions on these things instead of just assuming what they want?

      As more people come into the west seeking something better, they need to abandon some of their culture that is retrogressive. Burkas as retrogressive.

      No, actually. If they’ve had to come to the West because the West keeps bombing the shit out of their homes, they owe the West jack shit. Whether or not the Islamic community wants to change some of its cultural practices to adapt to the West is for Muslims to decide and Muslims only.

      This is just sexpat white saviorism 101 wrapped up with progressive language.