I’m not a fan of Putin, but I do support the Russian intervention (better term than invasion, since the war actually began in 2014, with the junta government as the aggressor). That doesn’t mean I like the current Russian state, or consider it communist, etc.
Donbas is Gaza if Gaza had a powerful neighbor, who (for various flawed reasons) was willing and able to intervene and stop the genocide. Of course, libsocs like Lowkey_Iconoclast can’t possibly see things in that kind of nuance.
I mostly analyze things like this in terms that (I think) Lenin first laid out. Basically like does this war benefit the proletariat? Who benefits here? The answer is 1) US arms contractors (bourgeoisie) 2) Russia, if successful which it seems they will be, will gain land and territory (or at least there will be independent regions it exerts full influence over). Access to resources, people living there, etc.
And who loses: Well, it seems Ukraine has lost a massive portion of its young men so far. Not to mention this war will indebt them to the US and others for decades to come with costs that no nation could take on and hope to pay off. Paying off aid to your nation from the nation that set you on the path to war and then told you to keep fighting the war… great situation there for future Ukrainians.
You could argue Russia is losing military members and expending resources on the war, but it’s not nearly as had as the western media would have us believe.
And while the owners in the US “win” in terms of making profits from war, they’re losing the greater fight to continue imperial dominance. And the workers in the US lose out because resources that should be expended on literally anything else are instead spent on bombs which only bring death and destruction to the world. With no material gain to the people who created them. They could be using the metal and whatever other components of bombs to build new bridges, new roads, houses, anything. Instead that potential house goes into exploding a Russian tank. Who the fuck benefits from that besides the guy who owns the factory shitting out bombs.
Very basic analysis there removing any morality from the picture (since liberals hate when you operate on moral grounds… no no we can’t have morals!) and it’s clear that no American, save for capitalists invested in the MIC, should be supporting continued involvement in Ukraine or any other currently ongoing conflict.
I’m not a fan of Putin, but I do support the Russian intervention (better term than invasion, since the war actually began in 2014, with the junta government as the aggressor). That doesn’t mean I like the current Russian state, or consider it communist, etc.
Donbas is Gaza if Gaza had a powerful neighbor, who (for various flawed reasons) was willing and able to intervene and stop the genocide. Of course, libsocs like Lowkey_Iconoclast can’t possibly see things in that kind of nuance.
I mostly analyze things like this in terms that (I think) Lenin first laid out. Basically like does this war benefit the proletariat? Who benefits here? The answer is 1) US arms contractors (bourgeoisie) 2) Russia, if successful which it seems they will be, will gain land and territory (or at least there will be independent regions it exerts full influence over). Access to resources, people living there, etc.
And who loses: Well, it seems Ukraine has lost a massive portion of its young men so far. Not to mention this war will indebt them to the US and others for decades to come with costs that no nation could take on and hope to pay off. Paying off aid to your nation from the nation that set you on the path to war and then told you to keep fighting the war… great situation there for future Ukrainians.
You could argue Russia is losing military members and expending resources on the war, but it’s not nearly as had as the western media would have us believe.
And while the owners in the US “win” in terms of making profits from war, they’re losing the greater fight to continue imperial dominance. And the workers in the US lose out because resources that should be expended on literally anything else are instead spent on bombs which only bring death and destruction to the world. With no material gain to the people who created them. They could be using the metal and whatever other components of bombs to build new bridges, new roads, houses, anything. Instead that potential house goes into exploding a Russian tank. Who the fuck benefits from that besides the guy who owns the factory shitting out bombs.
Very basic analysis there removing any morality from the picture (since liberals hate when you operate on moral grounds… no no we can’t have morals!) and it’s clear that no American, save for capitalists invested in the MIC, should be supporting continued involvement in Ukraine or any other currently ongoing conflict.