Ooh we can add the death of a euphemism and putting words into the mouths of others (a subset of controlling the conversation) to that!
Advocating for actions that will help fascists take power isn’t advocating for Marxism. It’s advocating for fascism, regardless of how much faux-Marxist language one puts around it.
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible. The actions you’re advocating help the fascists. So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that. You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
They provided good points that you refuse to refute on nothing more than the grounds that you’ve deemed them antithetical to your own interests. That’s the right wing playbook, dude. Spewing out debate club buzzwords is not an argument.
I mean, for starters this argument states as fact a number of points that are questionable. Sure, I’ll grant the US holds Israel up as a strategic point in the Middle East. We do the same around the world and so do other nations in support of the same. Russia did/does the same thing with Cuba, for instance.
The rest of the argument about petrodollars, economics, one-state solutions, and IMF loans is conspiracy theory and conjecture masqueraded as fact. One book about it doesn’t make it true. It’s not worth disproving because the poster is gish-galloping garbage.
Ooh we can add the death of a euphemism and putting words into the mouths of others (a subset of controlling the conversation) to that!
Advocating for actions that will help fascists take power isn’t advocating for Marxism. It’s advocating for fascism, regardless of how much faux-Marxist language one puts around it.
You’ve advocated for voting for fascism, I have explained that revolution is necessary. Pretty simple!
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible. The actions you’re advocating help the fascists. So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that. You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
They provided good points that you refuse to refute on nothing more than the grounds that you’ve deemed them antithetical to your own interests. That’s the right wing playbook, dude. Spewing out debate club buzzwords is not an argument.
Please provide the specific points they’ve made, in neutral language
Sure, restore the post and I’ll be more than happy to copy and paste it for you.
Restore what post?
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I mean, for starters this argument states as fact a number of points that are questionable. Sure, I’ll grant the US holds Israel up as a strategic point in the Middle East. We do the same around the world and so do other nations in support of the same. Russia did/does the same thing with Cuba, for instance.
The rest of the argument about petrodollars, economics, one-state solutions, and IMF loans is conspiracy theory and conjecture masqueraded as fact. One book about it doesn’t make it true. It’s not worth disproving because the poster is gish-galloping garbage.
Uhh I’m not a mod here.
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