The worst part is draconic abortion bans also hurt those trying to have children. No one’s getting recreational third trimester abortions. You picked out a name, painted the nursery. Late term abortions are tragedies to all parties, and only ever happen because of life threatening conditions.
I wouldn’t want to plan a child when any complication could mean death.
No need to sound like a political science textbook. Birth control means you don’t have to get pegnorate!
Gregnant?
PREG…PREGANANANT?
Which is why republicans and conservatives want it gone: they want you to have children.
They want you to have children, and they want you to do it before you’re ready. They want you to be barely surviving so you can’t afford to switch jobs or take time off. They want you too powerless to have any leverage over your
owneremployer.They want having children to be a woman’s punishment for unapproved sex, and they want the kid (who had zero responsibility for creating that situation) to suffer through it along with her, with zero help so it’s all as unpleasant as possible, cuz apparently that makes Baby Jesus smile. Fucking lunatics.
New meat MUST be bred to feed the machine of infinite growth.
They know, that’s the point.
How is this a meme?
Well, specifically women, but yes that sign is not wrong.
Well, specifically women
How do you figure?
…Are you being purposely obtuse?
…Are you being purposely obtuse?
Do you think an unwanted pregnancy doesn’t affect the biological father’s life in any way?
Well of course it does. But its statistically significant that most abortions happen as a result of the potential babydaddy doing a blow-n-go and leaving the female with a hard decision. That was my point.
statistically significant that most abortions happen as a result of the potential babydaddy doing a blow-n-go and leaving the female with a hard decision
what? I’m not even going to bother asking for a source. That is incorrect.
Pro-lifers don’t care.
All they care about is the fact that the white population will decrease as no one can afford/wants children, so the best way to remedy that is to force them to.
How else would one mass-produce gullible, uneducated voting cattle to exploit and fleece?
I know I’m probably wrong here, and I’m willing to be better informed, but I don’t like the phrasing of abortion as mere “birth control,” as if it were equal to methods that prevent conception or implantation.
Do people really feel it’s not a different sort of act, or would people be comfortable using abortion as their sole means of birth control (if it were safe and inconsequential to the woman)? And yes, I understand that the morning after pill is something of a gray area.
Also yes, I am a Christian. But I understand that there are good reasons for abortion remaining legal.
Well depends what you mean by birth control… is it a way to prevent pregnancy or children?
Since birth is in the name i’d say the term is better suited for referring to anything preventing the birth of a children. But what the term refers to has no barring on what’s happening.
It never meant people don’t make a difference. Any reasonable women knows and feel the difference.
The fact it’s less safe and has worse effects on your health is just another way we realize how serious an abortion is. It will never be inconsequential even if it was safe.
Please do not to trust anyone who says people disagree with this. They all have a political reason to lie.
Abortion as birth control is a lie they’ve been harping on for decades. No one does that. No one says, “Aw crap! Preggers again, off to the abortionplex!”
I’ve impregnated two women that had abortions. I won’t go into the details, but we talked about it, decided to do it, and they were both emotionally crushed. The second woman lost her ability to ever have children from the procedure.
Abortion is not a thing to be taken lightly, and no one does.
And thanks for sticking your neck out and asking around here. Surprised you weren’t excoriated.
Abortion is, by definition, a form of birth control, but I don’t think most people would ever consider it to be equal to other forms of controlling birth. However, let’s not forget that for a lot of people abortion is quite literally the only birth control they may have access to, and even that access may come at huge risk. There are often family, social, religious (this is the big one), or cultural pressures that get in the way of accessing contraceptives until it is too late.
Absolutely understand, and while it’s hard for me to believe that anyone doesn’t know about condoms, a religious person who chooses abortion over condoms really makes me scratch my head.
But I guess you mean a kid living in a “religious” household. Man, I wish there was a way to communicate to kids that feeling your old enough for sex means feeling you’re old enough to make good decisions about preventing pregnancy.
I mean frankly the whole thing’s just too damn big for me. My heart goes out to everyone who finds themselves with these kinds of choices.
Yeah, I was getting at living in a religious household, but I can say from experience that it goes far deeper than that. There is way too often a toxic and parasitic mentality that constantly says things like birth control are evil and aren’t to be talked about. When that kind of thinking permeates every aspect of one’s life or community, it can make it difficult, humiliating, or outright dangerous for people to seek out things like contraceptives.
Also, I know this thinking doesn’t hold true of all religious folks, and it’s refreshing to see someone genuinely curious and asking questions rather than judging automatically, so thank you.
One issue (and hear me out, I do support abortions, birth control and bodily autonomy!) is that, once given a choice when and how to reproduce, people don’t do it as much.
Having pleasure of sex without consequences is screwing the natural incentives for reproduction.
Whether we like it or not, there should be something to support fertility if we don’t want to end up in a population crisis, with a few young folks supporting the ever growing army of the elderly.
Now, this should NOT be laws prohibiting abortions, or banning any sort of contraception, but there should be some incentives for people to go, and, well, make babies. This part Republicans got right (wow), they screwed with the suggested methods.
Fixing the financial clusterfuck and letting people live in a bright and predictable world where they know their tomorrow will be good is certainly one way, but I’m afraid it’s not enough. What could be the other options? I’m interested in people’s opinions.
What do you mean by population crisis?
In the world it’s the other way around, the demographics are still booming.
You know what came before having better birth control and lower birth rates in most developed countries, medicine and lower death rate. In most of them now both are pretty close (most because there are exceptions like Japan).
I’m not really sure i see a problem with a slight decrease in population in a place where there is already a lot of people.
I’ll start worrying about the “population crisis” when there are no more orphans because they’ve all been adopted.
Doesn’t not having sex do that a little better tho? Like i totally get the point, but also, having sex gives chance of baby right? So, don’t do it unless you ready? Maybe I’m wrong.
Sex is a basic human need. Having a child isn’t. You need to know you are compatible with your partner sexually or it will lead to tons of strife in a relationship. So not having sex unless you are asexual or a version of it isn’t an option.
Sex is a basic human need.
Humans do not die if they don’t have sex.
Humans also do not die when they are shackled and locked in a dark room for years or decades, as long as you feed them. How is you argument sounding now?
Still better than ignoring the millions of people throughout history who haven’t had sex and lived long happy lives.
Almost sounds like it’s fine when people choose, but is a problem when people are forced. Odd
There are people who don’t choose but still are still fine.
If what you’re saying is true Tom Hanks would have died of lack of sex on that island.
Or I’d have died in the six years between going through puberty and having sex. Or the five years later on when I didn’t have sex but wanted to.
“People need sex” is borderline incel shit.
No, you’re not “maybe wrong”. You’re absolutely and completely wrong seen as abstinence only programs have been shown over and over again to be ineffective. It’s a sad attempt at policing people’s desire for sex
People fuck for various reasons. Taking away people’s access to contraception doesn’t stop that, it merely makes it more likely they’ll have kids.
Abstinence only programs have shown themselves again and again to just produce teen pregnancies and STDs. Contraception, generally, is the best way to keep yourself from producing a child and the people who are against it tend to be the type of people who want the state to get into your bedroom.
