My dad once told me that he had to find the circuit breaker that corresponded to a particular wire and because we have around 60 circuit breakers in our house, he had to flick one off, run down and check the wire, run back up, flick the next circuit breaker off, and do that quite a lot of times.
In that moment, I got to explain binary search to him and he was genuinely interested. 🙃
I hook a cheap webcam up to a USB battery pack and load it up on my phone. Then I plug in a light and point the camera at that. It makes it a single trip and doesn’t bother the neighbors.
Turn off half the breakers. See if you still have power where you need to go. That will tell you which half it’s on. Turn off half of those breakers, repeat.
Oh, well, you switch off half the fuses, then you go check the wire.
Let’s say the wire still has power on it, so now you know that none of the fuses in that half affected it (which you can turn back on now).
Then you do the same thing again with the other half of the fuses, i.e. you switch off half of the fuses in that half and go check the wire.
Now, let’s say the wire is dead, so now you know that the fuse you want is in this quarter.
So, then you flick off half of the fuses in that quarter and check the wire again, and so on.
With every step, you eliminate half of the remaining fuses, so for 60 fuses, you need at most 6 steps (which is the logarithm for base 2 of 60).
Once you figure out which one it is, label it! I labeled all the breakers in my panel when I moved in to my house, as half of the existing labels were wrong (no idea why).
Why are so many mislabeled though? It’s not like the loads are being changed every day. I had two breakers labeled “dishwasher” and neither of them were the dishwasher!
Electrical work is one of those things that’s not difficult to do as long as you don’t mind it being some level of wrong but relatively hard to do 100% to code right without training. With most of the wrong ways, the project still works, but it’s dangerous and/or hard to maintain. Professional work is expensive, so you end up with a LOT of handyman work that’s poorly labeled, poorly run, poorly designed or some combination of the three.
My best guess would be that at some point, running the dishwasher tripped the breaker. They had space so they added a breaker below it and moved the line to the new breaker. Then it still tripped, so they moved the line at the dishwasher circuit that was already close by.
Either the original line has a fault in it (old aluminum lines can have junction issues over time) or the dishwasher had a short in it, and they either replaced the dishwasher, or the new line they chose didn’t fail.
I keep a spreadsheet with every outlet/light in every room on it and their corresponding breakers. Much easier since breakers often span multiple rooms, sometimes only powering one or two fixtures in each.
I would have never guessed that you’re not a native English speaker from your writing. Neat!
A fuse and a circuit breaker perform the same function, but a fuse blows out and has to be replaced, whereas a circuit breaker can just be flipped back on. Fuses haven’t been used in household wiring for a long time now, but they’re still used in cars, and for portable things like Christmas lights.
I don’t think that’s true, it’s more of a set problem. If you pull half the fuses, and the thing is still on, then you’ve ruled out that half. Then you pull half the remaining fuses, and if it turns off it was one of the new half you pulled. Then you put another half back in, ect .
You know, after posting that comment, I really doubted myself, if it really is binary search, because Wikipedia also tells me it needs to be a sorted array.
But yeah, I think that’s only relevant, if your method of checking whether it’s in one half or the other uses > and <. As far as I can tell, so long as you can individually identify the fuses, a.k.a. they’re countable, then you can apply binary search.
My dad once told me that he had to find the circuit breaker that corresponded to a particular wire and because we have around 60 circuit breakers in our house, he had to flick one off, run down and check the wire, run back up, flick the next circuit breaker off, and do that quite a lot of times.
In that moment, I got to explain binary search to him and he was genuinely interested. 🙃
I think the old school method was to plug in a stereo and turn the volume up. When you couldn’t hear it then you got the right breaker.
I hook a cheap webcam up to a USB battery pack and load it up on my phone. Then I plug in a light and point the camera at that. It makes it a single trip and doesn’t bother the neighbors.
My friend has some upcoming electrical work in his house, can you explain how to use binary search in this instance so I can tell him?
Turn off half the breakers. See if you still have power where you need to go. That will tell you which half it’s on. Turn off half of those breakers, repeat.
Oh, well, you switch off half the fuses, then you go check the wire.
Let’s say the wire still has power on it, so now you know that none of the fuses in that half affected it (which you can turn back on now).
Then you do the same thing again with the other half of the fuses, i.e. you switch off half of the fuses in that half and go check the wire.
Now, let’s say the wire is dead, so now you know that the fuse you want is in this quarter.
So, then you flick off half of the fuses in that quarter and check the wire again, and so on.
With every step, you eliminate half of the remaining fuses, so for 60 fuses, you need at most 6 steps (which is the logarithm for base 2 of 60).
Once you figure out which one it is, label it! I labeled all the breakers in my panel when I moved in to my house, as half of the existing labels were wrong (no idea why).
That’s the case with virtually every breaker box.
Why are so many mislabeled though? It’s not like the loads are being changed every day. I had two breakers labeled “dishwasher” and neither of them were the dishwasher!
Electrical work is one of those things that’s not difficult to do as long as you don’t mind it being some level of wrong but relatively hard to do 100% to code right without training. With most of the wrong ways, the project still works, but it’s dangerous and/or hard to maintain. Professional work is expensive, so you end up with a LOT of handyman work that’s poorly labeled, poorly run, poorly designed or some combination of the three.
My best guess would be that at some point, running the dishwasher tripped the breaker. They had space so they added a breaker below it and moved the line to the new breaker. Then it still tripped, so they moved the line at the dishwasher circuit that was already close by.
Either the original line has a fault in it (old aluminum lines can have junction issues over time) or the dishwasher had a short in it, and they either replaced the dishwasher, or the new line they chose didn’t fail.
What Rumba said. Why full ass a job when half is plenty.
I keep a spreadsheet with every outlet/light in every room on it and their corresponding breakers. Much easier since breakers often span multiple rooms, sometimes only powering one or two fixtures in each.
Ah, obvious now, thank you. For some reason
myhis brain couldn’t get to actually turning off half the breakers in one goIf he can flick it off then it’s a circuit breaker, not a fuse. Fuses have to be pulled, and it’s a real PITA.
Thanks, I changed it. I wasn’t sure, what the correct English word is…
I would have never guessed that you’re not a native English speaker from your writing. Neat!
A fuse and a circuit breaker perform the same function, but a fuse blows out and has to be replaced, whereas a circuit breaker can just be flipped back on. Fuses haven’t been used in household wiring for a long time now, but they’re still used in cars, and for portable things like Christmas lights.
Binary search only works if the fuses were correctly sorted in the same order as the houses though.
I don’t think that’s true, it’s more of a set problem. If you pull half the fuses, and the thing is still on, then you’ve ruled out that half. Then you pull half the remaining fuses, and if it turns off it was one of the new half you pulled. Then you put another half back in, ect .
Ah, I didn’t think of it that way. That indeed would work.
You know, after posting that comment, I really doubted myself, if it really is binary search, because Wikipedia also tells me it needs to be a sorted array.
But yeah, I think that’s only relevant, if your method of checking whether it’s in one half or the other uses
>and<. As far as I can tell, so long as you can individually identify the fuses, a.k.a. they’re countable, then you can apply binary search.deleted by creator