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“I can’t believe known liar Donald Trump would lie to us! I can’t even imagine how a liar who lies about everything would lie!? It’s unimaginable!”
Leopards are going to be obese
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Their racism ties are stronger than their union ties.
They voted for him for their prejudices, not for their workers rights.
They’re going to get the racism they wanted, they just thought he’d also support their unions. They’re upset they can’t get both things, but they won’t trade their racism for union support, even now. They want both, but if they can have only one, it’s racism. They’ll just bitch about this.
If tariffs are increased and migration reduced, there is a good chance the working class will get more economic power long term. The inflation will sky rocket, but so may blue collar salaries. I believe that’s i big reason why Trump won. Sometimes the gut or common sense triumphs the neoliberal dogma.
I doubt salaries will skyrocket, sure there will be more people being hired to meet domestic demand increasing but I doubt that companies will actually pay more to their employees. And even if they do I can’t imagine that it will be a significant increase when taking into account the inflation that will be caused.
The supply and demand should at least be in favor of blue collar. But there might be a lot of political repression and union busting. Still, there will for sure be some shift in economic power, that will favor unions and the value of labor in general. Exciting times ahead. Similarities with 1920s are overwhelming.
I mean I guess exciting is one way to put it if you find the great depressing exciting. Even if it did lead to FDR and a number of progressive policies it still took around a decade of horrible unemployment and poverty to get to that point.
Yep. Things will only get shittier in the US for as long as they/you don’t reverse the inequality trend. It’s impossible to have a functional democracy with the current gini coefficient. And it’s rapidly getting worse.
At some point, from an evolutionary perspective, it’s probably rational to crave chaos, system collapse or revolution, if you’re at the perceived socioeconomic bottom. Trump 2.0 might have been that point. Democrats didn’t present a credible solution, rather they just demonstrated that they don’t understand much. Just more neoliberal globalist crap, sprinkled with a touch of welfare and identity politics. Then it might be better to just opt for high risk and chaos, and hope you get lucky.
(I know there are good democrats as well, but they’re not in charge.)
Yeah I totally agree, I’m just still holding out hope there’s some way to get real reforms that help people cause that would be the best case scenario. But yeah it is starting to seem that chaos and system collapse might be the only way to get real change. I just worry we’re at a point where if the system collapses we’ll end up with Nazi Germany rather than New Deal America.
You realize the union is against this acquisition? If this sale goes through, US Steel executives get a windfall and union members, without any protections, get to look for another job. Trump, Biden, and Harris all campaigned against it.
Union leaders at the Irvin Works in West Mifflin say 95% of their members are in favor of the Nippon merger, and many of them were at the Trump rally in Pittsburgh one day before the election.
The union leaders say they were initially skeptical of the deal, but support grew after they met with Nippon executives who visited the area during the summer. Nippon pledged to spend $1 billion to upgrade the 86-year-old hot strip mill at Irvin.
https://www.wtae.com/article/us-steel-nippon-trump-steelworkers/63085379
Says the steelworkers union organization officially opposes it, so sounds like the union leadership is split but the workers support it.
ROFL All his lies are clearly available online; the fuck around and find out phase is going to be epic for all the fools that actually believed Trump. I’m admittedly terrified for those who are in the marginalized communities, though, because this will likely be a presidency that erodes a lot of protections for those that racists and bigots hate. 😔
4 more years of the dumbest sheep of all time complaining about the wolf they just worshipped like a god, while the entire time he told them he was going to fuck their lives up so hard the moment he got the chance.
Trump has been saying he was going to block this deal since early in his campaign. The Biden Administration was / is going to block it as well. The United Steelworkers Union has publicly said that it wants it blocked.
So WTF is all of this hubbub about? What’s happening here is absolutely no surprise at all.
I bet Nippon paid for this article.
Trump said something and then proceeds to actually do it?
I would be surprised too.
“the scorpion won’t sting me, or he would surely drown as well. What healthy, rational animal would want to destroy itself?” - frog
“They’re eating the cats and dogs, fuck paying overtime, and white ethnostate nationalists are my friends” - brainrot scorpion
The leopards are hungry for faces already?
Lol they’re not even the first ones they gnawed on this time, not to mention last time. People are so goddamn short sighted, I’ve lost the last shred of faith I had in my fellow Americans.
And the worst part? The dumbest part? Multiple large blocs of voters voted for him for different stupid reasons. Again.
Good, hope it knocked the wind right out of them.
Oh no! The stupid workers don’t know what’s good for them!
This thread is a perfect example of how the left lost touch with the working class and normal people in general.
Lead poisoning is the culprit. The right is full of mentally retarded zombies. The majority of PEOPLE are working class. Nearly 50%, as is the case in most US elections, voted for the democratic candidates. STFU troglodyte.
“They fell for the con” seems harsh and inaccurate.
Everyone knew Trump was lying with his promises. But Dems couldn’t even be bothered to offer empty promises. If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.
If a con man offers me the world, and you offer me nothing, and I listen to the con man… I’ve still fallen for the con, my guy.
Not really. You just chose the least shitty option you were being forced into.
But I understand acknowledging that would interfere with your ability to feel smug.
How is a lie ‘the least shitty option?’
Because it’s a binary choice where the other option is someone not even willing to pretend they’ll help you.
Still a bad option.
The person who is upfront about it can be reasoned with. The liar is never going to be trustworthy.
If the guy at the train station lies and tells me that the train will be here in an hour I waste an hour. If he tells me the train has been cancelled I know to make another plan.
A better example would be a waiter who spits on your sandwich in the kitchen vs one who’ll spit on it after they drop it off at the table.
Your best choice is to burn down the diner.
Nothing says ‘privilege’ more than people who talk about burning the system down.
It’s like the guys who have never been in a fight are always ready to see other people go at it.
Except they had some coherent and sound policy? A lot if it is way too status quo or populist when that clearly isnt working.
Trump has some sound policy too (as much as Lemmy would hate to admit it), but its also filled with obvious leapord face eating proposals, even if you 100% believe him.
And its not like he hasn’t been president already, albeit much more restrained before.
Thats the most baffling thing about Trump support to me… There’s this hope, this fantasy he’s the change we need when we have no other choice, when that is absolutely not true if you look at his cabinet, history, and policy. He’s a grifter even if you look at hus history before politics. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt?
What was their coherent and sound policy?
Dems just still believe they’re entitled to the working class vote, and aren’t willing to offer anything to earn it. Still the failed Clinton strategy of skipping them over, but counting on their votes anyway.
Uh, how about not giving the rich massive tax breaks and rocketing the national debt even higher so quickly? Anti inflation measures, support for higher wages? Actual support for unions, as tepid as it may be? Attempts to relieve debt? Let’s start with that.
What exactly do you think Trump is even theoretically bringing that Dems aren’t?
The Dems were not offering anything like that. You’re pulling that out of your ass.
I didn’t say Trump was better. The Dems and GOP are two sides of the same fascist coin. We have to defeat them both.
Those were the basics of Harris’s platform. Tax the wealthy, support unions, tamper inflation.
No, it wasn’t. There were some vague and empty promises, but that kinda thing is a hard sell when you’re already in power and not doing those things.
Wait, so now they have “vague and empty promises”? I thought they couldn’t even be bothered to lie, and had nothing to offer, making a con-man preferable?
I kinda feel like you’re just more mad at Democrats than you are at Republicans who are actually doing bad things.
Do executive orders count?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_the_Right_to_Organize_Act
What about pro-union congressional bills that are being blocked by Republicans?
What exactly is the Republican coherent and sound policy? Because the one I’ve seen is largely union-busting and cutting regulations on businesses. Democrats have definitely failed to show the work they’re doing and show how Republicans have fought tooth and nail to block and roll back worker protections, but it is entirely disingenuous to claim Dems “openly don’t give a shit about you.”
When did I imply Republicans have anything better? Gonna blow your mind here: criticism of Dems is not support of Republicans.
No, I’m not satisfied with symbolic efforts from Dems. Clearly, most of the country isn’t either.
If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.
There. Where you say republicans are probably lying but you’re better off taking a chance on a lie. If you hold both parties to a different standard to the detriment of one, you’re supporting one of those parties over the other.
Wile not “both sides” as one side is obviously worse, the democrats did actively work against unions during Biden’s presidency. And sure Biden made talk about passing PRO, which he failed to do, but he also forced terms on the rail unions, and made it illegal for them to strike, and thus making the rail union forever powerless to fight for its members, and dooming it to obsolescence
You’re right critical thinking is hard for people, but it’s still a con and they still fell for it.
If you know the political process is filled with liars and your only options is someone that doesn’t want to make overblown statements that are clearly lies and someone that does lie (you know this because of his past lies) then you should have picked the person that lies the least.
Not necessarily. They didn’t need to believe it in order to consider it the least bad option.
Dems are still riding with the Clinton “basket of deplorables” failed strategy. They openly and outwardly despise any voters that aren’t white collar liberals. And y’all have the gall to criticize these people for not jumping onboard with a party who proudly hates them. Unbelievably obtuse.
The mental gymnastics here are insane
Not nearly as insane as expecting people you’ll do nothing for to help you get elected.
That’s not the same thing as saying that republicans are better because they’re lying to you while giving you worse policies lmao
No one said that.
“you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.”
I guess you didn’t technically say that republicans have worse policies, but… please don’t tell me you believe they’re even comparable
Oh they’re not comparable? Which party isn’t supporting genocide right now?
Unless you care about literally nothing else, that doesn’t make the two parties equal. Trump is more enthusiastic about that anyways and has actively sabotaged Biden’s ceasefire attempts and said he would destroy Palestine entirely. It’s pretty close though tbh considering Biden keeps sending weapons. I wish the dems would just man up and back out of there
