In a memo to its 55,000 members, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers blasted the company’s previous offers and said it met face-to-face earlier in the day with company negotiators and issued a broad new contract proposal.
Probably the first article in a while that clearly outlines WHERE the negations are at and what each side wants.
Chef requires essentially apprenticeship and repeated effort to become proficient at over a significant amount of time at that. Cook at a fast food place with a prescribed method of prep? Low skill but requires a small amount of time for a TEEN to become proficient at.
There are MANY jobs that do not require much skill, that I held in the past in my teens. Sure you suck at them for the first week or so but your skill in them often tops out fast as they are NOT really difficult to learn or train IE ideal for part time.
Retail SUCKs because of the people, but is NOT a “technically hard” to learn job.
Many jobs are PHYSICALLY difficult but NOT HARD TO LEARN.
Question do you think the following positions should all get the same pay have the same skill? Which require a greater investment in knowledge or training?
Chef
Line Cook
Dishwasher
Server
Busser
Bartender
I just don’t personally think mail delivery is anything but a part time level skill job.
Average Canada Post Mail Carrier hourly pay in Ontario is approximately $23.55, which is 7% above the national average.
As of December 1, 2024, the average annual pay for an elementary teacher in Ontario is $41,226, or about $19.82 per hour.
What board pays elementary teachers that low? Most start as A3s and make around 60K with 0 years experience (I looked at York and Ottawa-Carleton). In 3 years, they can take a few AQs, hit A4 and be making north of 80K. The average teacher in Ontario probably has a lot more than 3 years in and makes closer to 100K, and that would still not be accounting for any specializations that would provide a bonus for some. Your numbers look more like starting pay for QECO category A (teachers with no undergrad degree) from 10 years ago.
That site looks like it is trying to go for the average job listing, which is probably listing the minimum starting pay for the minimum qualification level. And I still can’t find a single board that pays that little. The average teacher is likely starting as an A3, since it is hard to get into teacher’s college without high grades and a four year undergrad with honours. At any rate, 41K is a gross underrepresentation of average teacher pay.
Here’s a pay grid for Toronto (which is not the best paying board) that only goes up to 2021. An A3 started at 56,302. That number will vary maybe up to a couple thousand anywhere in Ontario depending on the board. Your average teacher though has probably been in for closer to 10 or 15 years and is probably A4 unless they did no further education. They make around 100K.
That’s like saying a chef job isn’t particularly skilled because we can describe it in 9 words.
Psst: suggesting working-class jobs aren’t real jobs is how they keep your wages low.
Chef requires essentially apprenticeship and repeated effort to become proficient at over a significant amount of time at that. Cook at a fast food place with a prescribed method of prep? Low skill but requires a small amount of time for a TEEN to become proficient at.
There are MANY jobs that do not require much skill, that I held in the past in my teens. Sure you suck at them for the first week or so but your skill in them often tops out fast as they are NOT really difficult to learn or train IE ideal for part time.
Retail SUCKs because of the people, but is NOT a “technically hard” to learn job.
Many jobs are PHYSICALLY difficult but NOT HARD TO LEARN.
Question do you think the following positions should all get the same pay have the same skill? Which require a greater investment in knowledge or training?
I just don’t personally think mail delivery is anything but a part time level skill job.
Average Canada Post Mail Carrier hourly pay in Ontario is approximately $23.55, which is 7% above the national average.
As of December 1, 2024, the average annual pay for an elementary teacher in Ontario is $41,226, or about $19.82 per hour.
What board pays elementary teachers that low? Most start as A3s and make around 60K with 0 years experience (I looked at York and Ottawa-Carleton). In 3 years, they can take a few AQs, hit A4 and be making north of 80K. The average teacher in Ontario probably has a lot more than 3 years in and makes closer to 100K, and that would still not be accounting for any specializations that would provide a bonus for some. Your numbers look more like starting pay for QECO category A (teachers with no undergrad degree) from 10 years ago.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Elementary-Teacher-Salary--in-Ontario
That site looks like it is trying to go for the average job listing, which is probably listing the minimum starting pay for the minimum qualification level. And I still can’t find a single board that pays that little. The average teacher is likely starting as an A3, since it is hard to get into teacher’s college without high grades and a four year undergrad with honours. At any rate, 41K is a gross underrepresentation of average teacher pay.
Here’s a pay grid for Toronto (which is not the best paying board) that only goes up to 2021. An A3 started at 56,302. That number will vary maybe up to a couple thousand anywhere in Ontario depending on the board. Your average teacher though has probably been in for closer to 10 or 15 years and is probably A4 unless they did no further education. They make around 100K.
Toronto Elementary Collective Agreement