I said something along the lines of:
“Wow, I haven’t had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while.”
Along with
“Nah, the more dead corpos dragons, the better.”
In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.
…
Good ole’ civility clause.
Whats the paradox of tolerance?
.world mods have never heard of it I guess.
I’m just here to point out that everyone’s going to use the downvote button as a “disagree” button and the upvote as “agree,” and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop us. You can’t hold back the tide.
I saw that old tired “It’s not a disagree button! Only downvote comments that don’t add to the discussion!” thing time and time again on reddit, but I’ve never seen it here. I hoped that it was accepted and understood that they are indeed agree/disagree buttons.
People might think that they shouldn’t be that, but it’s immaterial. That’s how people are going to use them, so other people might as well get used to it.
Yes.
As an anarchist, I am keenly aware that rules are merely suggestions, and are utterly meaningless when no system exists to actually enforce them.
The whole thing is all just made up. There are no “rules” written down like there are for software systems. There are just shared habits and models of the world, and traditions for how to react. In general, people agree and keep it all consistent enough from day to day that the rules in their heads translate into behavior and dependable systems in the real world. But it’s all just made up. It’s just people deciding what to do, every minute, in every society, based on what they decide in their brain, no matter how strict the “rules” that supposedly exist are.
I looked at the logs myself, and it absolutely was power tripping. Jury nullification discussion isn’t even illegal for fucks sake.
So glad i went to Divide by Zero
I left after World said they would federate with threads.
TOS you say?
Heh, I got a good chuckle at that comment removal. So glad I moved from there to db0.
PTB, comments celebrating a person who’s horrible are not encouraging violence. This is clearly an attempt from the mods to push their agenda. Their replies here in this thread support this theory.
for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.
I think this comment snippet speaks for itself honestly.
So many things wrong with that statement, including the falsehood that only God can judge. We do have courts, including the court of public opinion.
Well, I’m as much god as whatever they’re worshipping, so I guess I’ll do the judging.
This is clearly an attempt from the mods to push their agenda. Their replies here in this thread support this theory.
“for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.”
The dastardly, scurilous, vile agenda that human life is sacred. Well done Sherlock, you uncovered the next Hitler.
Human life is sacred. All the people who died because of denied insurance claims and corporate greed deserve their killer (corporate insurance CEOs) brought to justice. Unfortunately, this is the only way too accomplish that goal.
Literally nobody believes that human life is sacred. They may want to believe that they believe it, but one only need look at the world to see that they contradict the claim with action every day.
What people beieve is that they’re better than others, and “life is sacred” is just a tool in the toolbox of looking down upon others.
If they or even you really believed human life was sacred you’d see the piece of shit who died for the piece of shit he is as he and his company was responsible for the deaths of so many many innocent people. Instead of trying to hide behind worthless religious doctrine and saying it’s wrong to be happy that this evil person died because “all life is sacred” this is like saying “All lives matter” as a reactionary response to BLM, it makes you and that other commenter sound like one of those alt-right religious types, in the same way saying “all lives matter” in response to BLM makes you sound like a racist pig.
You may think what you are saying is good and may be confused as to why people are angry at you. The fact is that the context of the situation can make something that seems and indeed is considered good in a vacuum can make it look and sound extremely bad and make the person saying it just as bad.
Human life isn’t sacred. The prick who got murdered cared less about human life and has more blood on his hands than anyone celebrating his demise. People have been fighting insurance companies by legal means for years and things have only gotten worse. Violence may be the only way to get change. They already reversed that awful anesthesia policy that was announced the other day.
Hitler referenace check… Now do the Jews and the camps, dear 🤡
Why is it, that every time I see a post from you, you’re saying something stupid?
They’re just one of the many trolls or bad faith lemmy users who hasn’t been banned by the server you’re on or their home server admins. Like Linkerbaan, hopefully they will in the future. I made a spreadsheet of users like that, since Lemmy itself has no way to tag or leave notes on user’s profiles that only you can see.
Whats the paradox of tolerance?
It’s a fucking paradox.
It honestly amazes me that damned near everyone seems to miss that part, even though it’s in the fucking name.
Bans on any Lemmy instance are stupid because nobody gives a fuck about this place. This is just 4Chan for milquetoast nerds
It is over moderated AF, mod log speaks for itself.
Too Many mods, not enough shit posters jfc
“4chan for milquetoast nerds” is so true that it hurts.
I do think that we should give a fuck about Lemmy instance bans though. Social media shapes the views of people; and those bans dictate who can say it and what can be said, so they’ll shape those views in a specific way.
USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST.world mods are just fuxking neo lib bootlickers.
Dead CEO Bad, mmmkay guys 🤡
I feel both attacked and delighted by this lmao
Can’t comment on bans/deservedness. Lemmy is infested with mods/agents/bots that are pro empire/CIA/military paid protectors of disinformation and said empire.
I don’t think a tankie has any right to complain about propaganda online.
Not even a conspiracy. They spend billions every year trying to control the conversations online. The executives for many social media companies are former Mossad or CIA. Reddit admins used to have a post up acknowledging the astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base as their highest traffic source.
Always has been…
They deff seem to be overwhelmed now. Public opinion too strong, too unified.
Dead CEO is good news.
Which is why both neoliberal and conservative politicians are pushing for strong social media censorship laws right now, and calling for repealing or modifying the first amendment.
You are definitely onto something…
This is a watershed moment IMHO and it will be used to supress 1a AND 2a
Liberals forget that 2a is there once 1a fails
Liberals don’t support the 1a nor 2a. They’re fascists.
Leftists are strong supporters of both, though.
Holy fuck what’s wrong with you peole. Two wrongs doesn’t make it right
Two wrongs can make you feel better about the first though, and that’s good enough for me!
So much for “freedom of speech”, unless you’re rich or a CEO i guess…
The First Amendment right to freedom of speech in the USA applies to the relationship between citizens and the government’s authority. Lemmy servers are not the US government, and Lemmy users must abide by the Terms of Service on the Lemmy servers they use.
It’s that simple.
You still have the freedom to create your own server and host whatever content you want on there. Lemmy is open source I believe so you can go right ahead and federate your own free speech.
Side note, I’m not saying this to defend health insurance crooks. I’m currently dealing with several insurance problems with denied coverage myself. We can all see the motive of that hooded man clearly.
Lemmy users must abide by the Terms of Service on the Lemmy servers they use.
And the problem currently under discussion is that OP did not break any of the ToS, but was banned anyway for saying something the admins disagreed with.
So much for “freedom of speech”, unless you’re rich or a CEO i guess…
That’s not what the top comment in this thread was discussing at all. There’s no rights to freedom of speech on lemmy.
I wasn’t aware lemmy was the government.
It’s a ban fest!
Glad I got in an “eat shit, mod” before I was banned.
I’m wearing my ban with pride. Fuck those bootlickers.
My removed comments keep getting upvotes.
Streisand has entered the chat and she is not happy.
I wonder what the mods would have done in 1947.
I’m not sure how any of this works but I can still read deleted comments and comments from banned users. Maybe only on certain instances? Like I said I don’t know how this works.
I want to say that this is a case where it’s not clearly either a PTB or a YDI situation. The mods seem to be enforcing their comm/instance rules, albeit their rules in this instance seem over the top.
I wonder what kind of acronym would fit this description. If anyone has any ideas, let me know.
TBD - Tyranny By Design
I’d say PTB but I guess TBD will do.
Who does it benefit to have instance rules like this? On LW you are not allowed to promote or celebrate any form of violence, so no matter how oppresive the state is, and no matter who the object of violence is (rapist, murderer, genocider, Nazi). The LW view seems to be that it would be uncivil to resist your own systematic exploitation and oppression in this way, and that it is always wrong to promote violence, even agaist literal Nazis. I’ve noticed most of the liberal instances have a similar policy. With a soft liberal underbelly like that, I dread to think what sort of milquetoast resistance to fascism the US population will be able to muster over the next few years.
Can we please not turn this place into acronym soup like Reddit was in places?
You don’t even save that much time.
Power tripping bastard
You did it yourself
You save quite some time
That time being spent searching through the comments trying to decipher the acronyms.
Well, if you’re searching comments instead of reading the sidebar that’s always available, then you deserve to spend hours doing it.
The bans seem to be lifted.
yes i only banned for 24 hours so that more information could be found additionally there were directions that people encouraging, cheering, making joke of, discussing payment, or of jury nullification are against the terms of service for lemmy.world. as of now there is new information regarding this section of the terms of service which will be announced and explained by the admins. i am sorry to those that feel i was excessive we have discuss this among the moderators and will use the lock power to reduce the moderator workflow. for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us. i recognize my bias in this and will work to be more restrained going forward.
You should stop being a mod. For so many reasons.
Agreed, this is insanely concerning.
only God may judge us
I’m judging you right now, for your inability to keep your religion to yourself.
What in the world? Discussing jury nullification is against the terms of service of lemmy.world? I’m so glad I decided to skip getting an account there. SMDH
only God may judge us
And you, apparently.
We understand that you’ll repeatedly choose to selectively enforce or break the rules to ensure the predetermined narrative is served, then cite your religion as the reason.
Thanks for letting us know.
no? i was asked to enforce the terms of service and the celebration of murder encourages others but i have now been asked to not consider these a violation anymore
John Brown did nothing wrong
This Shoter did nothing wrong
If you consider human life sacred, then you would consider that CEO evil, and then would ballance that his death is a net positive.
only God may judge us
Maybe stop using ancient, inconsistent collections of fairy tales and psuedo history to inform your world view.
Grow up lol.
Hmmm… Do Gaza residents count, how about American payers of health insurance?
Hmmm
yes? i would remove comments and posts celebrating the death of those people i pray for them as i pray for you and the family of the murdered person you celebrate
only God may judge us
If you’re referring to Yahweh, per the bible he’s a far more judgmental asshole than your average social media user.
What mistakes? Those were all intentional outcomes.
Nah I judge you hard, you’re a garbage excuse for a human.
How does it feel sucking corporate, and status quo, cock for free?
BTW: יהוה, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh’s original name is EL. He’s a Canaanite god of War and Death. I’m pretty sure that this follower of Iehova, same god different name, would be pardoned by his “God.”
Edit: in case you missed it, the letter “I” was the Latin language character for “J” until the 4th or 5th century.
I will be finding a new instance that actually encourages discussion, going forward since this instance is run by censors that do not like free speech
Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL’s name to Allah, and a further group than that one declared that ELhovallah has said that science is more real than any “divine doctrine.”
Fuck you, and fuck my god. He created entire communities that I probably should be chastising because most American Baha’i’s are the “moderate white people” that MLK Jr. talked about so eloquently. They will say all the right things, but I have seen too often that they are merely talking. The saddest part is that because most of these people aren’t white people, so when they get off their asses and do something, it’s generally successful.
BTW: יהוה, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh’s original name is EL. He’s a Canaanite god of War and Death.
The word “EL” was just a label, like the word “god” itself (which literally means “creator”), and not a name. It meant “mighty one” or “strong one”.
For example, phrases translated as “God Almighty” is El Shad-dai.
When angels are referred to as the “sons of God” the original Hebrew is beneh’ ha-Elo-him.
Elo-him is also used to refer to other gods, and even human judges in Israel.
There are many more examples of the etymology, but “EL” is not always referring to the God referred to by the tetragrammaton. And it never refers to the Hebrew/Christian God in it’s singular isolated form. It always has a qualifier, like “God Almighty” (El Shad-dai).
The main difference being that the other Canaanite gods didn’t all have the EL prefix, in fact, he was the only one that had that prefix, and denominated him as the specific god of Death and War.
You can attempt to claim that isn’t true, many biblical and judeaic scholars have attempted to claim the same thing. The archeological evidence doesn’t support your claim
El means “the” as far as I know. As he is “the one” and it is not part of the name, it is the title, basically it is not “a(ny) god” its “the god”. At least it was explained so to me from my bro, who “speaks” the old Hebrew. But I don’t know why it is the discussion here. Isn’t there better places to discuss etymology where there are people who speak the language?
Sorry for the big off-topic. I just can’t help when it comes to etymology.
Edit: in case you missed it, the letter “I” was the Latin language character for “J” until the 4th or 5th century.
What changed around the 4th~5th centuries were sounds, not letters - the Latin words using the sound [j] (as in yes) were being pronounced with [d͡ʒ] (as in jazz). Even everyday words like iocus (game) or iam (already).
But people kept spelling them the same - you’d use “I” for [i ɪ j ʒ dʒ] (as in beet, bit, genre, jazz), and let context tell them apart. For any language using the Latin alphabet, not just Latin herself, as shown by Shakespeare:
The iniury of many a blasting houre; Let it not tell your Iudgement I am old,At most you’d flourish some “I” with a downwards curve, for easier reading; such as when you got 2+ “I” in a row. This mostly affects numbers (like XIII being spelled “xiij”), but also a few words like Old Spanish “fiio”=“fijo” (“son”; modern Spanish “hijo”).
Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL’s name to Allah
It’s more like both sides changed it. Without going too much into detail:
- the proto-Semitic word was around *ʔil or so
- the Biblical Hebrew pronunciation of ⟨אל⟩ was probably [ʔil] too, even if Tiberian Hebrew would read the word as [ʔe:l] “El” instead.
- Arabic “Allah” is most likely a contracted expression of [aɫiɫɫa:h]; [aɫ] is the article and the [aːh] a vocative. The underlying root is [ʔil]~[ʔill], spelled ⟨إِلّ⟩~⟨إِل⟩.
Well done on being both pedantic and informative. Yes you’re absolutely correct on both points, I didn’t feel the need to get that far into the weeds trying to explain that my own personal beliefs are tied into all of that historical pedantry. I just wanted to illustrate that such assholery is entirely possible by following the earlier ideas.
Sorry for my burst of pedantry. I couldn’t help it, I love to dig through the origin of the words.
…for a reason that is actually related to your Baháʼí faith: it shows that humans - those in the past, us in the present, and probably the ones in the future - are still the same. You see the same processes working on those words in the past as they do now.
[I agree with your main point. And I’m aware that what I said is unrelated to it, it’s only marginally related to the example.]
Jury nullification is a legal right any jurist in the US has, which is why liberals hate it.
i am not from the united states and there are countries with laws differant from the united states I was asked to remove these things for this reason
So let me get you to repeat that so I know you didn’t misspeak. The admins of Lemmy.world instructed you to remove posts educating people about their rights in the country they live in? Can you tag them so we can discuss those admins here?
they are making an announcement on this topic to make the reasoning more clear
i apologize for misunderstanding and the correct action would have to lock the post until we all understood what to do
as of now all who were community banned by me are no longer banned
You are perfect… For Reddit. Go back there.
I don’t know if temporarily muting those accounts was the right call or not - I did not even look at the pictures of the modlog here much less elsewhere - but entirely separately from that I wanted to say thank you for offering your explanation here. Whatever you end up deciding, your willingness to be introspective is already a powerful thing.
thank you
i was asked to moderate anything that is illegal specifically mentioning “jury nullification” and “financially supporting” this has been changed now until a larger announcement is made
many admins and moderators at .world including myself are not american, i pray that the others who are angry at me and hope they consider there are more countries with laws that are different from them.
Jury nullification is one of democracies’ systems of checks and balances that protects against injustice. It’s also not illegal in the US to talk about as a topic for the general population.
Banning discussion about it is like banning people from talking about voting or civil disobedience. Banning discussion of it is a disservice to the public good.
That’s the thing - if someone wants to go to all the trouble to step up and expend actual effort to create an instance, or aid by moderating a community, or even make posts to existing ones, then such a person imho has more of a right to speak up than merely a lurker. Otherwise, it’s just whinging, and the people may even have had to do the same if they were in your shoes, following the directives that you were given, regardless of their personal beliefs.
So again I haven’t studied the issue enough to know whether it was the right call or not, either by the admins or by you, but I hope as you make that determination in your head that you aren’t unduly influenced by people who choose to see only what they view as the extreme negative (as in result) without bothering to look at or acknowledge all the positives that you do as well. Making a judgement is hard work!
Please keep in mind that many people, perhaps out of fear of retaliation (if only by downvoting) may not take the time to express any positive sentiments about this (or, as I am considering doing, may take a break from social media a bit bc all of this news, in every single community it seems, is getting to be a bit much). Thus before I go on that break for a few days, I wanted to express my support for at least trying to help and be there for your community - even if you ultimately feel that it was the wrong call (and I’m not even so much as hinting here that it may have been - I truly don’t know nor at this point even care), you did at least try and I wish more people would see that. After some cooling off, I think some will. And for those who choose to remain perpetual entitled children, dependent upon others to do all their work for them (in this case I mean moderation EFFORTS to keep a community going and livable), who even cares what they think.
I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.
if someone wants to go to all the trouble to step up and expend actual effort to create an instance, or aid by moderating a community, or even make posts to existing ones, then such a person imho has more of a right to speak up than merely a lurker
Are you justifying power tripping?
Not at all. Though she merely did as the instance admins instructed her? (mostly) And they seemed to be worried about police knocking down their door, as laws vary from country to country.
Her part was, as she said in her own words, to have removed the comments and banned people (no matter that they were extremely short-term, are already rescinded, and no more will be forthcoming for some of these issues), when she should have locked the post with a statement that the admins were issuing a moratorium on discussions of the topic for 24 hours and/or when they can get the ToS modified to provide transparency and consistency in what their want to see done. It’s their instance - they can do as they please. But her part in this seems only a small one, it’s the admins - who I haven’t heard anything from yet - who seem the real issuers of these edicts?
And as for myself, I am seeking a more nuanced and subtle form of argumentation beyond simply “my side always right, their side poopy buttface”. Though I do have sympathy for those who may have been affected by the underlying healthcare issues, and yet it seems like a proper diagnosis with full acknowledgement of all not just some of the factors involved that would serve us all best as we move forward here?
And I meant what I said at the end:
I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.
There may be bad parts about all of this here, but in retrospect it will become easier to see how well this conflict ended up being resolved - the transparency that I’m seeing here gives me strong hope. Like, where are the admins here in this thread, explaining their actions? If it’s here I haven’t seen it yet, but this mod came forth immediately and owned up to what she did, her explanation as to why, and even exposing her underlying reasoning process - she didn’t have to do any of that?! And she’s taking a LOT of flak for it too, especially her belief structures. Maybe we’ll find out that the admins are being PTBs here, but that’s not the vibe I get from this mod in particular, who seemed only trying to be friendly to everyone, and again, already having admitted her mistakes (in removing+banning rather than locking with explanation).
So, what am I missing here, about this mod in particular I mean? (The admins I don’t have sufficient information about to even make a guess.)
I’ll reply to you later, had too many drinks at this very moment ha ha
I’m honestly shocked my own comment didn’t get deleted. When I saw how many were being nuked, I had to chime in. I guess they missed it in the chaos.
