• Chunk@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Giving everyone 12k/year doesn’t foster dependency? Dude I make enough to not be homeless but if I had an extra 12k I’d spend it and my lifestyle would inflate. That’s dependency. I depend on it to live a nicer life.

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      1 year ago

      And giving every person in America 12k/year would cost over 50% of the budget and produce almost no growth unless it was entirely funded by debt.

      It might not foster dependency but it would be incredibly expensive.

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          1 year ago

          It’s over 3.5 trillion if given to everyone.

          Source on the bottom 80% paying most of the taxes please?

          Don’t forget redirecting over half the budget to fund a UBI significantly alters the US economy.

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          1 year ago

          Because it is taken from the same economy. If I tax Bill $1 to give Bob $1 we didn’t see any net growth. The only way it produces growth is if we gave Bob $1 but never collected $1 from anyone which becomes unsustainable in the long term.

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          We cannot afford to ditch over 50% of the budget to replace it with a UBI that won’t produce much if any benefit?

            • Peaty@sh.itjust.works
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              No Im saying it will provide little to no net benefit to the larger economy whereas redirecting over 50% of the budget to give $12k/yr to everyone would be catastrophic to the larger economy. I suspect the economy tanking would end up hurting more than the 12k helps.

              The only way UBI doesn’t significantly harm the US economy, and to be clear Im talking about only the USA right now, is if the payments are either so small they don’t help, the payments are not universal and are targeted towards those that need money, or if the entire thing is financed by increasing the national debt which is unsustainable over the long run. None of these are as beneficial as they seem.

              • grff@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                Unfortunately I think you’re arguing with idiots. You’re right it wouldn’t be able to be universal because it wouldn’t change anything if it was, it would just be made up for somewhere else and the problem would be a can getting kicked down the road for someone else to deal with