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A post from 2 months ago which explained the context: https://lemmy.world/post/20694710

I just had a look, nothing has changed, the website is still using Lemmy’s content to pretend to be active

  • vinay_clubsall@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    2 days ago

    Hello Blaze,

    One request, whenever you post about clubsall, can you please tag me so I can also participate? Thank you.

    As for this discussion, when we had a discussion last time on reddit, I thought we agreed that as long as there is not meaningful traffic, it should be ok. I guess you were not fully onboard with this.

    My request with all admins is - can we agree on some rules. If we block all new sites on hunch or rules as we make up, it will kill anyone trying to do something new.

    There was another thread (that I cannot find now) where some rules were proposed. (If someone can find, please reply to this).

    There are 2 things being discussed

    1. federating out
    2. open sourcing clubsall

    I can give an update on both of these. As I mentioned previously, someone was helping me in doing some audit, implementing federation and then we could also open source. We were going to use “sublinks”, which would do a number of upgrades. So that seems the right choice moving forward. It will allow self hosting, federation, move to postgres, move to docker etc.

    However during implementation we found that sublinks itself does not implement federation out. So we were blocked by that. I checked with developer just few days ago and I was told that since all developers are volunteers and they got busy, federation was delayed. The work will pickup again in new year.

    I am not sure when they will be able to finish federation. I can quickly move there once done. However that seems months away.

    In the meantime, can we have a discussion about a set of rules for clarification and fairness?

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      One request, whenever you post about clubsall, can you please tag me so I can also participate? Thank you.

      Sure, I’ll make sure to keep you tagged. I was not sure you were using your Lemmy account, so that’s why I did not tag you in this post.

      as long as there is not meaningful traffic, it should be ok

      You are channeling the traffic from 44k monthly active users to your website without giving credit to the instances where the content is created.

      I just checked, the homepage of Clubsall shows content from !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, while lemmy.blahaj.zone have you defederated: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, as “clubsall.com” is in the blocked instances.

      But if we look at the linked instances, there is now “api.clubsall.com” and “clubsall-api4.renchesterjramos.workers.dev”

      @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone FYI

      If we block all new sites on hunch or rules as we make up, it will kill anyone trying to do something new.

      Everyone here is trying to make a new platform. Every Lemmy server, as well as Mbin or Piefed, federate content both ways, and allow to go to the original posts from the federated copies.

      In the meantime, can we have a discussion about a set of rules for clarification and fairness?

      Every admin make their own rules. Feel free to convince them, a few of them are in this thread.

      • vinay_clubsall@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        I just checked, the homepage of Clubsall shows content from !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, while lemmy.blahaj.zone have you defederated: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, as “clubsall.com” is in the blocked instances. But if we look at the linked instances, there is now “api.clubsall.com” and “clubsall-api4.renchesterjramos.workers.dev”

        This is because federation is fairly complex and we are new to this and do not fully understand. I really do not know why we are getting content from lemmy.blahaj.zone when they have blocked us. The content is coming from federation, so how is it being pushed to clubsall after blocking?

        You are channeling the traffic from 44k monthly active users to your website without giving credit to the instances where the content is created. In our last discussion, you said “your site is small, so people just ignore it. Should it become more active, then users are probably going to call their admins to defederate.” ClubsAll has not grown. This time you are saying we are not attributing. It seems even you change mind on to what is fair.

        My request stays the same, give us some breathing room until some traffic threshold. Is that fair?

        • Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          The content is coming from federation, so how is it being pushed to clubsall after blocking?

          I blocked your instance based on your domain. But because you are using other domains to pull the content, you’re still receiving content from the domains you use that I haven’t blocked.

          My request stays the same, give us some breathing room until some traffic threshold. Is that fair?

          What is your plan for what clubsall will look like? I have no interest in killing a new and interesting platform for building community in the lemmy space. But if you’re just going to pull content from lemmy instances without giving anything back, that’s not building community…

          Tell me you’ve got plans for something other than a content scraper, and I’ll happily work with you.