I have some thoughts, some scepticism, some questions. First, some quotes from the article:
Ukraine has not claimed responsibility for the strikes.
…the Estonian government has firmly denied the claims.
…the closest distance between the Russian city and Ukraine is about 310 miles. This would have required the drone to fly through the airspace of Belarus. Avoiding Belarusian airspace could extend the journey to 700 miles or 435 miles, depending on the route.
However, Ukrainian drones are reportedly able to fly to distances up to and beyond this.
…reports suggested Ukrainian “Beaver” drones could have been behind attacks on Moscow, which are believed to have a range in excess of 620 miles.
In June, a spokesperson for Ukrainian state arms producer Ukroboronprom also posted on Facebook that it had successfully tested a drone with a range of 1,000 kilometers (620 miles).
Russia blamed Ukraine for other drone attacks overnight, which caused authorities to close the airspace over the Moscow and neighboring Tula oblasts.
I wouldn’t be so sure that Estonia launched these attacks. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Ukraine (with US support) ‘secretly’ launched the drones from Estonia. Although it would apparently be possible to launch those drones from Ukraine.
It’s in some Ukrainians’ interest to find a way to get NATO more deeply involved before the hints that NATO is losing interest become more explicit, vocal, and practical. But I can’t see how it would be in NATO’s interest to let Estonia get involved like this because it would drag the whole of NATO into it. If NATO gets directly involved, the whole of NATO is fair game. Are we to believe that:
The US thinks Estonia could attack Russia and that Russia would only retaliate against Estonia?
If (1) were true and Russia would only retaliate against Estonia that Estonia would be stupid enough to sacrifice itself for the rest of NATO? After watching what Russia has done to Ukraine? I know libs are oblibious, but…
One possibility is that someone in Ukraine ‘persuaded’ someone in Estonia to make this happen or allow it to happen. Considering how corrupt all capitalists are, this is not unimaginable.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that whoever did this was behind blowing up Nordstream II.
Whether Estonia launches the drones itself or whether Ukraine and NATO launch drones from Estonia it makes no difference to Estonia’s culpability since Estonia is responsible for whatever happens on their territory. We still have the same problem. Wherever attacks are launched from, Russia has every right to strike back at, and if they do that NATO’s bluff will be called. The majority of its members will say they have no obligation to defend a country that provoked retaliation by attacking first. The Polish and the other Baltic chihuahuas will be the only ones who would be dumb enough to try something in the same kind of erroneous belief which Ukraine had, that big daddy USA would come to bail them out. But they missed the memo about what happened to all of the US’s other so-called allies throughout history, from South Vietnam to their Afghan puppets and even the Kurds. Oh sure the US would send “aid” in the same way they have for Ukraine because that makes their military industrial complex money, but even that is now starting to hit a wall as their stockpiles are running dry and their production can’t keep up even with just the Ukraine conflict, and can’t be expanded any time soon either. And Western Europeans are all talk, none of them are prepared to actually go to war and especially not their comfortable, pampered populations.
The point is if the Ukrainians drones could travel so far in a swarm it could have been detected in belarus or in Russia and could have been shot down there. I mean how come a large number of drones attack could be carried out in Pskov without any major detection on its path.
-The US thinks Estonia could attack Russia and that Russia would only retaliate against Estonia? …I mean why not ? Biden administration has sent F-16s which seemed crazy in 2022.
If (1) were true and Russia would only retaliate against Estonia that Estonia would be stupid enough to sacrifice itself for the rest of NATO? After watching what Russia has done to Ukraine? I know libs are oblibious, but…
To be fair, a lot of US and NATO military commanders are pissed that the Ukrainians are “afraid of casualties.” So it wouldn’t be a surprise if the yankees didn’t genuinely believe the Estonians would be willing to die for NATO.
I wonder whether the yanks have decided it’s too dangerous for them to fuck with China, so they’re pivoting towards Europe, where Estonia is another potential sacrificial lamb.
I have some thoughts, some scepticism, some questions. First, some quotes from the article:
I wouldn’t be so sure that Estonia launched these attacks. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Ukraine (with US support) ‘secretly’ launched the drones from Estonia. Although it would apparently be possible to launch those drones from Ukraine.
It’s in some Ukrainians’ interest to find a way to get NATO more deeply involved before the hints that NATO is losing interest become more explicit, vocal, and practical. But I can’t see how it would be in NATO’s interest to let Estonia get involved like this because it would drag the whole of NATO into it. If NATO gets directly involved, the whole of NATO is fair game. Are we to believe that:
One possibility is that someone in Ukraine ‘persuaded’ someone in Estonia to make this happen or allow it to happen. Considering how corrupt all capitalists are, this is not unimaginable.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that whoever did this was behind blowing up Nordstream II.
Whether Estonia launches the drones itself or whether Ukraine and NATO launch drones from Estonia it makes no difference to Estonia’s culpability since Estonia is responsible for whatever happens on their territory. We still have the same problem. Wherever attacks are launched from, Russia has every right to strike back at, and if they do that NATO’s bluff will be called. The majority of its members will say they have no obligation to defend a country that provoked retaliation by attacking first. The Polish and the other Baltic chihuahuas will be the only ones who would be dumb enough to try something in the same kind of erroneous belief which Ukraine had, that big daddy USA would come to bail them out. But they missed the memo about what happened to all of the US’s other so-called allies throughout history, from South Vietnam to their Afghan puppets and even the Kurds. Oh sure the US would send “aid” in the same way they have for Ukraine because that makes their military industrial complex money, but even that is now starting to hit a wall as their stockpiles are running dry and their production can’t keep up even with just the Ukraine conflict, and can’t be expanded any time soon either. And Western Europeans are all talk, none of them are prepared to actually go to war and especially not their comfortable, pampered populations.
Good points.
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I believe there is some evidence for that idea.
The point is if the Ukrainians drones could travel so far in a swarm it could have been detected in belarus or in Russia and could have been shot down there. I mean how come a large number of drones attack could be carried out in Pskov without any major detection on its path.
-The US thinks Estonia could attack Russia and that Russia would only retaliate against Estonia? …I mean why not ? Biden administration has sent F-16s which seemed crazy in 2022.
It’s remarkably easy to forget that the logic of capital leads people to make some questionable decisions.
To be fair, a lot of US and NATO military commanders are pissed that the Ukrainians are “afraid of casualties.” So it wouldn’t be a surprise if the yankees didn’t genuinely believe the Estonians would be willing to die for NATO.
I wonder whether the yanks have decided it’s too dangerous for them to fuck with China, so they’re pivoting towards Europe, where Estonia is another potential sacrificial lamb.