The public split between Your Party co-founders Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana shows how building mass movements around leftwing celebrities doesn’t work, argues Michael Chessum.
Because Johnson and trump are very much relevent to the Idea Hero Worshiping leaders is a left wing thing. All sides are able to do so,
But my wording is trying to be non biased by not claiming one side was correct in there actions.
And you have made some potentially slanderous claims. The membership fees paid to the site are not in ZSs control MOU the group selected by all founders have confirmed this. Both ZS and the MOU members have said the payments go to their accounts. As expected by all those involved in the founding.
So No ZS in no way took the money. The initial set up of MOU was done specifically to prevent any one group having all control.
She did act alone in launching the membership. And failed to inform those signing up she was doing so before 20000 plus joined. But that is all she can be accused of.
As did JCs team act without full authority in launching the roadmap plan. As the agreement was no docs would be released without both founders approval.
Non of us know if her claims that other insiders were taking control are true. But she dose have other insiders backing her claims. And JCs Team only confirmed the people she accused did not have access to the accounts. Dispite the fact ZS did not actually claim that.
My what aboutism is exactly that. Because the whole idea that a new political party is a failure. Purely based on internal arguments existing. Is a freaking stupid argument every party in history has arguments as bad and often worse then this.
Some times media failing to compare criticism to the normal event. is a very valid argument against that criticism,
Edit: As for the time to form an anti fascist front,
First news articles like this Tring to make more out of an argument then actually exists are more responsible for delaying things then the arguments. Failing to recognise all political parties are constantly going thorough fights like this and using it to raise advertising while storing anger in supporters. Sure as hell ain’t speeding anything up.
As for how much time we have. Nothing can be done before the next general election. So forming a strong party able to handle disagreements. Is way more important then doing so in days. At the worst building the party before May’s local elections is important. As it can allow us to show the earliest support. The idea a huge hurry exists is not a valid one. Forming a party able to unite people is more important then silencing disagreements.
You’re framing this like I’m here claiming Sultana is the reason for this shitshow. I didn’t. She isn’t 100% responsible, but is clearly very much a key part of it. I’m saying the whole thing has been done badly so far. I’m not saying she individually stole all the money, I’m saying in the name of the party she went ahead with it when it’s something that should have been decided between them. And yes MOU have backed her up. Who are made up of pretty much her faction in this whole thing right? Wasn’t her faction being in control of the finances part of an attempt to have the power in the party spread around? It clearly isn’t working out and certain things should absolutely be agreed on as a whole, while power being allocated in a better way
A lot of what you’ve just said here, about Corbyn and so on, just further illustrates my point. The party is in complete disarray. Why should people be giving away their money to this, as it is now? The criticism isn’t based in just there being disagreements. It’s clearly far more than just disagreements and there’s not a single good thing they’ve done in their existence. to make the bad look less bad. Yes it’s early days but your point about the mainstream media being against us is true. So they should be even more vigilant and tightly coordinated so that the terrible press can be avoided as much as possible. As I’ve said already, all of what they’re “disagreeing” on should have been discussed and finalised long ago. I’m not wanting said “disagreements” to be silenced either, I’m asking for them to be sorted out. I’ve made that clear. Neither am I exaggerating this. It’s you who’s seemingly trying to make out none of this is a big deal and is a very normal thing and we shouldn’t really be bothered because… our enemies do it?
Novara aren’t trying to cause things to go badly with this. You do realise they’re the biggest actually left wing/far left media outlet in the UK right? And that they don’t have ads or even any restricted content, all their funding comes from reader donations? I disagree with them sometimes, particularly some stuff Bastani and Walker have come out with, but they’re not wrong to criticise here. They want this party to work and they’re calling for unity and for opportunity, time and money not to wasted on easily avoidable, embarrassing things like this. I’m not expecting you to but if you want you can listen to their podcasts on what’s happening with Your Party. You’ll see it’s very much the case they want this to do well
Your last paragraph I’m not sure exactly how to respond? I guess just how in any way are Your Party proving to us that they’re doing well working towards building a party that can handle disagreements? The rest is confusing to me, I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say. A lot of what you’ve written as a whole seems like you aren’t actually reading what I’m saying
Because Johnson and trump are very much relevent to the Idea Hero Worshiping leaders is a left wing thing. All sides are able to do so,
But my wording is trying to be non biased by not claiming one side was correct in there actions.
And you have made some potentially slanderous claims. The membership fees paid to the site are not in ZSs control MOU the group selected by all founders have confirmed this. Both ZS and the MOU members have said the payments go to their accounts. As expected by all those involved in the founding.
So No ZS in no way took the money. The initial set up of MOU was done specifically to prevent any one group having all control.
She did act alone in launching the membership. And failed to inform those signing up she was doing so before 20000 plus joined. But that is all she can be accused of.
As did JCs team act without full authority in launching the roadmap plan. As the agreement was no docs would be released without both founders approval.
Non of us know if her claims that other insiders were taking control are true. But she dose have other insiders backing her claims. And JCs Team only confirmed the people she accused did not have access to the accounts. Dispite the fact ZS did not actually claim that.
My what aboutism is exactly that. Because the whole idea that a new political party is a failure. Purely based on internal arguments existing. Is a freaking stupid argument every party in history has arguments as bad and often worse then this.
Some times media failing to compare criticism to the normal event. is a very valid argument against that criticism,
Edit: As for the time to form an anti fascist front,
First news articles like this Tring to make more out of an argument then actually exists are more responsible for delaying things then the arguments. Failing to recognise all political parties are constantly going thorough fights like this and using it to raise advertising while storing anger in supporters. Sure as hell ain’t speeding anything up.
As for how much time we have. Nothing can be done before the next general election. So forming a strong party able to handle disagreements. Is way more important then doing so in days. At the worst building the party before May’s local elections is important. As it can allow us to show the earliest support. The idea a huge hurry exists is not a valid one. Forming a party able to unite people is more important then silencing disagreements.
You’re framing this like I’m here claiming Sultana is the reason for this shitshow. I didn’t. She isn’t 100% responsible, but is clearly very much a key part of it. I’m saying the whole thing has been done badly so far. I’m not saying she individually stole all the money, I’m saying in the name of the party she went ahead with it when it’s something that should have been decided between them. And yes MOU have backed her up. Who are made up of pretty much her faction in this whole thing right? Wasn’t her faction being in control of the finances part of an attempt to have the power in the party spread around? It clearly isn’t working out and certain things should absolutely be agreed on as a whole, while power being allocated in a better way
A lot of what you’ve just said here, about Corbyn and so on, just further illustrates my point. The party is in complete disarray. Why should people be giving away their money to this, as it is now? The criticism isn’t based in just there being disagreements. It’s clearly far more than just disagreements and there’s not a single good thing they’ve done in their existence. to make the bad look less bad. Yes it’s early days but your point about the mainstream media being against us is true. So they should be even more vigilant and tightly coordinated so that the terrible press can be avoided as much as possible. As I’ve said already, all of what they’re “disagreeing” on should have been discussed and finalised long ago. I’m not wanting said “disagreements” to be silenced either, I’m asking for them to be sorted out. I’ve made that clear. Neither am I exaggerating this. It’s you who’s seemingly trying to make out none of this is a big deal and is a very normal thing and we shouldn’t really be bothered because… our enemies do it?
Novara aren’t trying to cause things to go badly with this. You do realise they’re the biggest actually left wing/far left media outlet in the UK right? And that they don’t have ads or even any restricted content, all their funding comes from reader donations? I disagree with them sometimes, particularly some stuff Bastani and Walker have come out with, but they’re not wrong to criticise here. They want this party to work and they’re calling for unity and for opportunity, time and money not to wasted on easily avoidable, embarrassing things like this. I’m not expecting you to but if you want you can listen to their podcasts on what’s happening with Your Party. You’ll see it’s very much the case they want this to do well
Your last paragraph I’m not sure exactly how to respond? I guess just how in any way are Your Party proving to us that they’re doing well working towards building a party that can handle disagreements? The rest is confusing to me, I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say. A lot of what you’ve written as a whole seems like you aren’t actually reading what I’m saying