I hate everything about this, but the part I hate more than everything else is how ‘normal’ jails being rife with violence and abuse is just treated as a matter of fact, not as something that needs to be fixed.
“They tried to tell me he was afraid of the general population … but that’s part of jail,” he said in a recent interview. “That’s what makes you not want to go back, it being such a horrible experience.”
No it fucking shouldn’t be, what the hell is wrong with these people?
we dont have a justice system. we have a revenge system. it all makes sense when you view it from its reality.
Well if we had reform oriented prisons we would run out of slave labor, duh. That’s why it’s in the constitution 🦅🦅
In Australia we don’t have the slave workhouses you have in the states, but our justice system is still focused on retribution rather than rehabilitation.
Unsurprisingly, both countries started in part as British penal colonies for debtors and convicts.
Hurt people hurt people on a cultural scale
…stop being right!
You ever been to jail?
GOOD point.
They forgot the part where only people who have been in jail can comment on it.
I’d like to gauge how informed someone is on a topic before taking them too seriously.
No, I haven’t. I don’t see how that has any relevance, but if you have and disagree with me, please explain why?
To be clear (and head off one potential objection), I’m not saying all jails are actually as awful as they make them sound (as I really don’t know), I’m referring specifically to the tone of the article, which definitely paints a very specific picture and then normalizes it.
Well it’s fine to have the sentiment you have (no violence in jails) but I’m really interested in how you’d propose to achieve that?
What kind of question is that?
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There was a weird thing in England that if you were found not guilty and released from prison, you’d have to pay the prison boarding costs because you had no right to be there in the first place
If I saw an article with the title
UK man has $80,000 room and board bill from prison after being found not guilty of murder.
I’d be looking to see if it was from the onion.
Holy shit.
He explained that his compensation was also calculated on the assumption that he would never have worked and would have received benefits.
Fucking monsters.
Probably to regain the lost funds into the imprisonment fund from the compensation fund for wrongful imprisonment. Might be more of a dumb than an evil thing.
No, it’s evil.
Another person replied with a real story where it happened. They also did this to the guy wrongfully imprisoned 25 years
He explained that his compensation was also calculated on the assumption that he would never have worked and would have received benefits.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy31pk1w0lo
Edit: And I could see maybe its hard to assume he’d become a lawyer or Dr with high wages, but no job with only benefits, and then room and board subtracted? Savage.
Same thing for Germany.
Someone is currently suing the Bavarian government for 750,000€ for 13 years of wrong imprisonment (he only received 400,000€ in damages, or 75€ per day).
Now the government is demanding 100,000€ back - 50,000€ for food and accomodation and 50,000€ for the total wage he received from mandatory prison labor.
I’ve lived in the UK my whole life and I’ve never heard of this. I’m going to have to ask for a source because it really does sound like an urban myth.
This was real until very recently.
Compensation for the wrongly convicted could be reduced by the savings on room and board you get for being locked up. Given how much money people spend on rent in the UK, this could massively reduce the compensation received.
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Washington may be the most expensive state to be behind bars, as it charges up to $100 per day just for room and board, according to Lauren-Brooke Eisen, senior counsel at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice. Maine, which charges around $80 per day, may be the second most expensive, she added, but it’s not clear because many states don’t report the exact amounts. “Most states don’t provide the exact amount; they call for ‘full cost of incarceration’ or ‘a reasonable amount,'” Eisen told Truthdig. “In reality, these states which don’t provide real numbers may demand the steepest already very difficult for people with a criminal record to get a job, even if they committed a nonviolent crime, so steep fees can add to their struggles,” she said.
Send them an invoice for your consulting services. Or, sue for kidnapping.
It’s insane to me that even the “luxury” jail looks like a horrendous dungeon, and the implied solution in the article is that everyone should be in the even worse county jails. It’s no wonder the US has the recidivism rate that it does. All of the cells for all prisoners need to be upgraded to something that looks like a living space if there’s going to be any hope for the persons in them to be able to reintegrate into normal society when they’re released. Being afraid of getting raped and murdered everyday while living in a gray concrete box doesn’t exactly produce well adjusted individuals. I thought the punishment was supposed to be the incarceration itself, not the added daily violence in jails. It’s so barbaric, people who manage to get out of these places and become productive members of society seem almost superhuman to me.
Holy shit. Every time I think we can’t go lower I see something that blows my mind despite deep cynicism.
Reading this shit as European…
Ghost of Christmas Future bud.
Because the USA is more advanced than Europe
In capitalistic decay? Yeah, totally.
In the sense of an advancing disease, yes.
Seriously, the most American article I’ve read today. Time for a nap, just after I scrub my brain.
But what started out as an antidote to overcrowding has evolved into a two-tiered justice system that allows people convicted of serious crimes to buy their way into safer and more comfortable jail stays.
The most hilarious part is believing that this is not the system behaving exactly as expected.
After he pleaded no contest to statutory rape of a 14-year-old girl who attended his South L.A. church in 2011, Leonel Pelayo, then 45, compiled a list of every pay-to-stay jail he could find.
“County jail, you’re verbally abused, physically abused by everybody,” said Pelayo, who was a church leader. “I didn’t want to spend one day there.”
Is this an Onion article?
compiled a list of every pay-to-stay jail he could find
was he doing a youtube top 10 video?
Is this the real life…is this just fantasy…
Which also goes to show what kinds of offenders will be able to afford this kind of princess treatment. Church leader that raped a teenager deserves better than someone caught with a dime bag.
If you want your blood to really boil, look up some of the leaks about how Josh Duggar gets whatever he wants. That TLC money goes a long way behind bars. (He had the Peter Scully video on his hard drive btw - with children near Daisy’s age.)
In the Bible Belt, you pay to stay and perform free or seriously underpaid labor for garbage cells, and phone calls are expensive.
So… In other jails in the US, probably for profit, it costs money to stay and they don’t give the option for a better room
This is a Cali thing, as far as I know. It’s meant to reduce overcrowding.
This would not fly in some other areas of the US, like the south.
I’m not willing to Google search this but, is this a cheap Marriott? Or a more expensive county jail
Well the room looks pretty crappy, but versus a dormitory with 8 bunks in a room, this is a Marriot.
A possible dystopian future will have the actual Marriott brand running these pay-for-premium jail cells. Future advertisements will boast about using credit card reward points to book fancier accommodations while awaiting trial for white collar crimes.
