Oh, it’s the regularly scheduled sabre-rattling post.
He has a little star in his calendar for every month.
Yep, they even get a bunch of their posts from Lemmy.ml communities and cross post them to non-Lemmy.ml communities. That’s fine, but this is just a huge dedication to inter-instance drama.
So far I have been censored on .world but not on .ml
I don’t care for the moderation policies of .ml but I don’t see what shitposting about it all the time without the context that they will ban you for “pro capitalist” posts does other than split the fediverse and make users who don’t even know what your problem is act defensive
The “average .ml poster”/“average .world poster” discourse is worn out.
Better .ml than .world, honestly
I don’t know why ml is so hated
The admins and mods of .ml are the biggest Tankies of Lemmy, they refuse to admit that China is an authoritarian dictatorship that has committed recent genocide and constantly lick Putins boot saying things like Russia was justified in invading Ukraine unprovoked
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works though you’ll need to view through another instance because .ml blocks this community specifically
Probably should be noted those communities are filled with the brigading efforts of like two chronically obsessed people who use alternate accounts to stir up shit or screenshot posts they often write themselves.
.world is basically Reddit. They want Lemmy to be Reddit, and censor Lemmy as if it is Reddit.
If you make a negative post about .world it will get removed by their mods but they never apply their rule to .ml
Make a negative comment about China on ml I dare ya.
This this is on hexbear via ml, here’s a whole comment thread complaining about neoliberal brainworms re: welfare in China and a bunch of people talking about how disappointing the fiscal conservatism is, one person pointing out that this type of wealth inequality is ultimately the result of government policy.
And this is exactly why .ml is so hated. That comment is pure .ml propaganda.
I have seen tons more .ml posts where mods go rampage mode and remove anything criticizing Communism, Russia, China, authoritarian regimes, their genocides, .ml itself, their mods, hate on US or any western nation, brigading …
.ml stands for Marxist Leninist, and they make sure you know it.
You rarely see negative posts about .world because they get removed.
Remember the MBFC debacle?
Some Lemmy instances are generally hostile to Marxists, who are more concentrated on Lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.ml and hexbear are not marxist. They are fascists cosplaying as soviet communists. Many people don’t make that distinction though.
probably because that distinction is unfounded.
Believe it or not, there’s nothing saying a communist country needs to be a one party dictatorship. It would be perfectly achievable though democracy if the majority of the population actually wanted to take collective responsibility for the country and wanted people to be treated fairly. The reason communist dictatorships fail is because they are dictatorships, not because they are communist.
Marx had very little to say about the governing structure of communist governments, but did actually describe socialism as a ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’.
What you’re taking issue with is how marxism was later applied by various political projects, but they all still fall under the umbrella term of Marxism.
Put another way: all Marxist-lenninists are Marxist but not all Marxists are Marxist-lenninists
Y’all know you can post to more than one place, right?
OP makes these posts on around a monthly basis, they have a pattern of posting these instance-drama related posts fairly regularly.
Yes, same for lemmy.world. If you want to post something niche and find a dead Lemmy.world community maybe consider first seeing if there’s one elsewhere to revive or even make yourself (assuming you’re registered somewhere else of course).
Yeah, I have no problem with Lemmy.world (I mean, my main is on here), but spreading comms amongst at least a few instances is better for the overall health of the Fediverse.
Helpful links:
Lemmyverse is a good place for finding communities your instance might not know about
Lemmy Federate is good for seeding communities to other instances.
The more power (engagement) any particular community’s moderators get, the heavier-handed they get.
.world is full of powermods lording over their little kingdoms too.
Yeah… your modlog history paints a different picture. Apparently, you seem to think the rules of lemmy don’t apply to you.
Oh please half of Lemmy has had issues with FS or Jordan.
They’re like 90% of !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
And there are no “Rules of Lemmy”, every instance has its own rules.
Dude… your comments are public. The removed comments are clear rule violations. I’m thinking either you seriously don’t think they apply to you, or you never read them.
And just because something is in YPTB, it isn’t guaranteed to be correctly attributed. Note how many people in the comments disagree.
Cool.
And just because you think something doesn’t count, doesn’t matter when everyone else does. And most of the comments agree too.
See nobody says this kinda thing about sh.
More in line with your comment though I wish there was a way to specifically merge a few comms into a single feed just for viewing purposes. So if you wanted to you could merge two c/memes feeds from different instances. You’d either have to take the post button away from that view or make it prompt you to select one of them from a list though.
Would also be cool to be able to export / share merger lists so if you trust someone’s opinion on which subs from a topic are worth following or go well together or even just want to migrate your own list you can do that too.
See nobody says this kinda thing about sh.
what does SH mean in this context?
my home instance
Lemmy’s search is dogshit… It’s my number one problem with this place. And this is the ONLY place I use these days.
Average .world poster trying to keep their CIA ran platform alive.
avg tankie
Can you explain what you mean?
They’re saying .world is anti-china.
Oh boy, another post of .world furiously masturbating over the evils of .ml
Considering most .world users are (former) Reddit users, it makes sense they’d get easily spooked by *insert thunder noises and ghost sounds:
MARXISM! UuUuHh!!
That platform has turned quite to the right with their moderation and acceptance
why say this on .world?
Nobody is spooked by anything. Many (like me) have the opinion that Marxism is a trash ideology and so shit on the place where its ideas are traded the most as they’re trading trash opinions.
Nobody is spooked by anything.
This is just purely and demonstrably false. Not only it is wrong from a historical point of view, but it also ignores current political conversations in which “Leftists/Communists” are used as a scare tactic.
Many (like me) have the opinion that Marxism is a trash ideology
I see. What specific criticisms do you have for Marxism then?
Not only it is wrong from a historical point of view, but it also ignores current political conversations in which “Leftists/Communists” are used as a scare tactic.
Fair enough, i guess i also “fear” communism in a sense and believe that humanity must work to prevent ourselves from reaching such a state (at least the sort that is typical of it) but i don’t think that’s where much of the criticism on Lemmy stems from
I have a lot of criticisms, but I don’t currently have the energy for a long debate. However, my main criticism is that Marxism is unnecessary as many good things have been achieved and can be achieved under a social democracy.
There’s also the point on how Marxism is practically unachievable without collectivisation, which allows for the possibility of tyranny. Soft totalitarianism as i like to call it. It has gone wrong in the past and will probably continually do so.
I have a lot of criticisms, but I don’t currently have the energy for a long debate.
Classic.
I genuinely don’t. I have engaged in multiple debates about this stuff in the past though. I also outlined a couple of my criticisms, so if you would like to address those instead of trying to be snarky, that would be welcome
I’ll just point out you called Marxism a trash ideology and then subsequently called it unnecessary because of an ideology that is almost inherently rooted in Marxism.
I’m just here having newly federated everything and glad to be the fuck away from reddit
welcome! there is constantly infighting here. you chose a good instance.
.world is the most ‘reddit’ like of Lemmy, and that’s not a compliment.
completely agree.
Lemmy.world is just more popular than other lemmy instances. At least it’s not threads.
It’s also where a lot of the bigger subreddits set up shop during the API thing, and to an extent the “default option” when setting up an account.
Yeah I started there myself but quickly migrated. Tried to find an instance that wasn’t filled with ideological rat poison and also wasn’t the mass appeal one.
I don’t think I see a lot of posts on lemm.ee though, but I think it’s fine?
They consider themselves a general purpose instance, with minimal oversight or censorship, and I’ve had no issues so far. Either them or sh.itjust.works are the ones I’d choose.
The .world admins are puppets of the Dutch government and the .ml admins are puppets of the Chinese government
Okay, so abiding by the law where your servers are hosted is being a Puppet.
Go stir up some drama in 196. There at least you know what you are doing.
.world Admins and mods don’t follow the Dutch law. They clearly follow there personal biases and the I think that it’s okay if they where honest.
Instead of saying we don’t like you talking about jury nullification. They say it isn’t allowed by law. Jury’s are not even a thing in the Netherlands. They say they follow the law, but they just follow a ideology and are lying about it.
.ml admins and mods clearly have a personal bias and are honest about it. You can think it’s a shit take. But you know where they stand for. Like it or not.
E: mods of communities don’t always follow there admins line of course. And there are shit mods on both instance
Go stir up some drama in 196.
Did you forget which post you’re commenting in?
Here’s a translation of the relevant Dutch law against violent speech:
Article 137d: “He who publicly, orally, in writing or graphically, incites hatred against, discrimination of or violent action against person or belongings of people because of their race, their religion or their life philosophy, their gender, their heterosexual or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental disability, shall be punished by imprisonment of no more than a year or a monetary penalty of the third category.”
Is being a CEO a religion now?
(Fun fact technically irrelevant to our discussion: being biphobic or aphobic is allowed in the Netherlands)
Your last point all depends whether we take the spirit of the law or the letter of the law… but perhaps there could be a non-Dutch higher court to decide any contentious points?
Worse yet, they also naively censor the r-word so if an .ml user types r*tardant it comes out as removedant
Ah yes, the classic Scunthorpe Problem
I believe you mean clbuttic
I very much like that, by all reliable reports, Scunthorpe is a real cunt of a town 😁
even Tom Scott filmed his video about the scunthrope problem in penistone because “there’s really no reason for anyone ever to go to scunthrope”.
THEY WON’T LET ME SAY MY GODDAMNED SLURS FUCKING GODDAMNIT
I’M A CERTIFIED RULES LAWYER I SHOULD GET TO SAY MY FUCKING SLURS
I have this dude tagged as “dumb tankie” and I have never felt more smug in my life which is saying a lot.
I’ve got this user tagged as “tells people what they’ve labeled people”, and have done for a while.
👍
Also, it disregards comment language
That’s shitty. It effectively removes the ability to communicate in anything but English.
E.g. some frequently used words that are non-slurs: fag (nordics, meaning class/course), retard (french train stations will display this when trains are delayed). Living in Norway, I have frequently been frustrated when MMOs wouldn’t let me talk to friends in my native language without censoring or even handing out bans.
… Or slut, which means end.
Also, my American girlfriend insists on pronouncing the Dutch surname of new Liverpool manager like that.
Granted, that IS pretty close to the correct pronunciation of “Slot” in Danish (which means castle or palace and is also the name of a cheap but potable beer), at least 🤷
Exactly, I’ve even tested with setting my comment to French, exclusively speaking French within, and it’s still filtered.
And that pissed off a couple people who just couldn’t believe my motivation was anything other than desire to say slurs.
I don’t know about the other Nordic countries, but here in Denmark, “fag” also means profession and is used as a colloquial term for many related groups and concepts.
On a slightly related but hilarious to me note, “bad” being Danish for “bath” and a company refusing to change with the times to accommodate an increasingly international marketplace has resulted in one of the most successful mid tier bathroom design companies in the country still being called “Bad Design” 😄
The English word bad is based on the Old English word baeddel, which meant gay, intersex, or pedophile, and made no distinction between the three. So it’s basically a homophobic slur.
The Spanish name Enrique can be diminutised to “Kike” (key-kay) but PlayStation network banned accounts with that name as the word in English is slur against Jews.
This is the biggest flaw and issue with the fediverse and Lemmy, it’s too damn fragmented with no good way to easily consolidate content from similar, or even identical, communities across instances. So people end up gravitating towards the same few that have the most content.
While this is true, I think this post is more a reminder that .ml is garbage.
The fact alone that you made that comment proves otherwise
Crossposting
True, but the same issue happens with reddit as well, for example gaming vs games vs truegaming. Over time those communities either found their niche (gaming sub became mostly memes, games sub became news and discussions and truegaming tried to become a more serious discussing sub). Actually there were way more gaming subs but unless they found their niche they died out. So people gravitating towards specific communities is a natural occurrence.
As for trying to automatically consolidate communities across instances, it sounds like a great idea on paper but seems like technical she moderation headache, because you won’t have a clear source of truth. Let’s say instance A and instance B both have a community called news. The same news article with the same title is posted on both communities on both instances by different users. Assuming we want to consolidate those posts into one, which instance post will be shown or in more technical terms, which instance becomes the source of truth for that post? Who makes that decision? What if there’s also instance C with the same community and the same post but that instance isn’t federated with instance A, how do we consolidate posts? Each community has its own moderators and moderation rules, who is allowed to moderate the post? What if the moderation rules contradict between instances and both instances want to apply the rules independently, are they supposed to split the post?
Maybe there is an elegant solution to all the problems but I don’t see there being one. I’m not against the idea, the problem is you want to solve its something I have given some thought and because of that I just don’t see it working out the way you’re imagining it.
It would be a fundamental change, but communities should be global and not tied to instances. This would allow for the necessary centralization and reduce duplication. It could also be used to ensure communities survive a in instance going down scenario.
. . . And how would moderation work?
Yall can view All to right? I know it defaults to local, but you can press one button and see everything not defederated.
That just gives you a jumbled mess of everything, which is IMO pretty useless. I want everything pertaining to a subject/interest in a single place, despite being scattered over multiple subs in multiple instances.
I like the idea of having the ability to browse communities with the same name in one place.
Where you can set it to local to have it as it is now, and also being able to browse all of them at once.
being able to browse all of them at once.
/all + new + comments is like my main use case, yet it’s frustrating because I can only view a tiny amount of comments at once, and only the first page of them. Hoping that gets fixed at some point.
Consolidation is still worse long term. There’s not that many competing communities.
I see the point you are trying to make, but have you considered the criminal US actions in Syria and how the US has evil imperial powers proxy wars and love nazis and make wars happen?
In conclusion: Whatever it is that you said, US bad, therefore you wrong.
I concede that despite not being alive when it was going on, I am just as guilty as everyone in the CIA that rigged elections and staged coups in South America. Everything I’ve come to know and understand in this lifetime is tainted by imperialism and is therefore invalid.
Likewise the same with .world. Aim for a smaller instances community if you can contribute.
The weekly .world feud post right on time.
Edit: for someone who doesn’t like .ml so much, why do you browse it enough to repost content from it? No worries comrade, they are our memes. Share away.
If
.mldidn’t exist Lemmy would be reddit-level huge already.Thank god it exists then, the last thing we need is another Reddit.
Yes, thank god
.worldexists and a reminder to donate!literally no one but extremist anti-social tankies were using Lemmy before
.worldhappened.Reddit already existed before .world, makeing .world completely redundant.
Reddit is not federated, not transparent, not open source. Dumb take my dude.
.world hates federation lol.
Only from those instances that like to brigade others, which is exactly why the defederation button exist.
