• nifty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    20
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    edit-2
    17 hours ago

    Lol, some leftists need to get over the fact that not everyone will agree with their pov, and that doesn’t mean those who disagree are “center” or “liberal”, whatever the fuck they think those labels mean. I am tired of what feels like emotional blackmail by hardliners who insist that their biased opinions are definitive progressivism, or that they are the arbiters of truth or justice. But continue being wrong, it’s just you losing credibility 🤷‍♀️ Truth and justice require a principled and unbiased approach towards morality, ethics and philosophy. I believe people can do better than zero-sum realpolitiks, I guess that’s just my naïve take.

    /tiredposting

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      11
      ·
      9 hours ago

      Yes, you’re correct. But this isn’t the right platform to expect updoots for saying the correct thing.

      This here is Lemmy… Founded by tankies, and unfortunately today tankies seem to be wanting their platform back. The may get it back, at this rate… Which sucks, because so many platforms these days are so insanely far-right.

      There isn’t really a home for many of us any longer. It’s genuinely depressing… Just far right, and far left places, where the dumbasses of the world love to yell.

      • nifty@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        3 hours ago

        Sorry it came across like that, I was super tired. I think other commenters are right that authoritarianism sucks, whether it’s left or right.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          3 hours ago

          It also sucks when it’s centrist. And guess what, your opinions are not less biased than anyone else, you are no more the arbiters of truth or justice than anyone else, you are no more “principled and unbiased” in you approach towards morality ethics and philosophy than anyone else. Don’t be so goddamn arrogant.

          • nifty@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            3 hours ago

            You’re right that no one is an angel or god, no one has perfect knowledge and as such cannot hand out perfect justice. That’s what I am saying, essentially. As soon as people create authoritarian systems, of any kind, they become adherents to one singular way of thinking. That’s the problem.

            Edit: stop making the thing into an ad hominem, I am talking about systems and processes.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              3 hours ago

              Yeah, and centrists in the current climate are all supporters of the authoritarian system that is capitalism, and essentially are all adherents to one singular way of thinking.

      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        9 hours ago

        Your argument is quite compelling, but I’m going to side with the person you’re denigrating on this one. I’m sorry…

        I’m just not very far-right… So I can’t fully get into your mindset.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      15 hours ago

      That’s not what zero-sum means. Implied strawman. Insisting that your own position is the arbiter of unbiased truth and justice without demonstrating it (because obviously).

      Lol k.

      • nifty@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        14 hours ago

        The worst thing to come out of social media discourse is ad hominem attacks (attacking a person) being perceived as attacking the argument itself. What an annoying take, no one is a god or angel. We have to do the work to find truth and justice.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          13 hours ago

          Wasn’t an ad hominem either, and that certainly wasn’t invented by social media.

          What are you doing, fam? Is this satire itself? Please stop co-opting debate club culture, I paid for my right to use these words.