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  • SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org
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    24 days ago

    In the Lucas movies, droids are pretty explicitly portrayed as chattel slaves. They are auctioned off, have separate inferior quarters (Jabba’s droid quarters are particularly notable), and are basically treated as beings without agency despite definitely having agency. There’s even an explicit visual analogy - Anakin and Shmi have collars that control them and could kill them, and the droids also have (spaceships shaped like) collars that control them and can kill them.

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    25 days ago

    In Star Wars the droids seem pretty ok with their situation as servants. I suppose you could describe Zora in Discovery similarly, but I’m struggling to think of other examples in Trek.

  • data1701d (He/Him)@startrek.website
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    I would say no. I mean, the treatment fits the universe (lots of people enslaving other people), but there isn’t even a subtle condemnation of this. In many ways, despite it tending to be a story about rebellion, Star Wars mostly tells a story with the status quo; especially in the original trilogy, there’s never really an “are we the good guys” moment. (I could be wrong - been ages since I watched anything Star Wars.)

    Meanwhile, Star Trek is constantly examining itself, with Starfleet officers often “stop[ping] to debate the rights of a robot” or whether the self-respect of one Starfleet officer is worth the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. Even when they treat synths like crap, it’s usually depicted as being morally wrong.

    This is a bit of a tangent, but this question makes me think about the evolution of Ood depictions in Doctor Who. Their first appearance was a bit weird about their enslavement, but they rectified that in later episodes.

    P.S: I think this question is more suited for c/startrek than Daystrom Institute, as it’s more about comparing the themes of two franchises than any in-universe explanation.

  • Makeitstop@lemmy.world
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    The easy way to defend it would be to suggest that they aren’t actually sapient. The way they are treated in the original trilogy, and the way they are discussed in episode 2 in contrast to the clones would be consistent with the way we would view something like chatgpt. Sure, it can mimic a person, but anyone who is antheopomorphising it and trying to treat it like a real person is making a mistake.

    Unfortunately, this isn’t consistent throughout the franchise. Hell, even episode 2 explicitly stating druids can’t think comes just one movie after we had a ceremony to present R2 a medal for saving the ship. And it certainly seems like more recent Star Wars stuff prefers to lean towards humanizing the droids.

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      24 days ago

      The way it appears to work, broadly over all the content, is that the longer a droid is left to operate the more sentient it becomes. The empire is shown to wipe their droids regularly to inhibit this phenomenon.

      The problem seems to be that because of this, you have characters that treat them as individuals and characters that treat them as tools.

      There’s also a lot of content that seems to blame the separatists for a lot of the animosity towards droids.