• river@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Look, I’m angry too. It’s a difficult time to be Jewish because there is a boat load of antisemitism and hate online. And in person.

    Apparently it’s not cool to hate black or Asian people, but it’s totally cool to hate Jewish people, even when it’s a thread about how terrorists literally mass murder their babies. No one is saying they are sorry. They are saying poor Palestinians.

    Pretty fucking callous.

    But let’s not lose sight there are folks caught between radicalism. Blanket statements help no one.

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      1 year ago

      Saying things about the Israeli state is not saying things about all Jews.

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        1 year ago

        So these babies worked for the state? These are state sponsored babies?

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      I’m quite bothered that people just accepted the Nazi propaganda that the Jewish people are some sort of modern ethnic group. When it is in fact a religion, we’ve literally allowed the Nazis to win in this capacity.

      Edit: If someone is willing to conflate the Israeli people with the Jewish people, then it is by default a theocracy. Right-wing, theocracy is bad regardless of which religion it is.

      I think it is much more intellectually honest to sever the notion that Israel is the Jewish people. They are not the same thing. To do so is to latch yourself to right wing theocracy.

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        That’s incorrect and also antisemitic.

        Jews are ethnoreligious. They are an ancient indigenous people with indigenous practices, which predates their religion. The religion was born from the practices. To discount them as modern is false.

        The Nazis used race to explain character traits and justify their crimes against populations, using race to say that it physically made other races more weak and less intelligent than white race, “scientifically”. That is patently false and disproven. But they used Mengele’s inhumane experiments to try to further that cause. It is in many ways the ultimate expression of white supremacy.

        People do not accept that propaganda. They are confused by information like what you’ve shared, rather.

        The point you need to learn and teach is to separate the people from the government. Which if you read my other comments, I do with the Palestinian people. I’m careful to condemn the terrorist groups and government, not the people they use as shields and victims. Right now, Israel is trying to secure a corridor to evacuate Gazans. But the problem is that terrorists are using child soldiers. It’s Israeli lives, not religious extremists, that are sacrificed when terrorists embed themselves with their people and then blow them up. However, people online are not able to grasp the concept. Because media reporting is deeply problematic.

        The problem is that religious Jews don’t practice hate. There is nothing inherently wrong with a Jewish state. The problem is that religious extremism has taken root in the country, and it is used in a similar manner as in the USA to oppress everyone. Many people don’t want it. But like in the USA, progressive populations have a very difficult time organizing, and with a spine. So the extremists don’t, because their hate and fear unite them. Bibi has made an unholy alliance. Like in the US, something needs to change.

        But you need to be honest - religious extremism is everywhere. This is the same hot topic in the United States, which already considers itself One Nation Under God. A country that expressly separates church from state still has these issues.

        So, there’s your class for the day.

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          Setting aside all the other nonsense you put here in your post, you don’t find it at all bizarre, the statement that Israel is trying to create an evacuation corridor for people to escape their own country? Kind of strange.

          Here, allow us to create a corridor for evacuation from your country, the country we are bombing. Its wild.

          Clearly, you have learned nothing from the United States War on Terror. You can’t fight a terror group because they are comprised of generalized people and are not a functioning organization to destroy. They are not a nation that you can conquer.

          You are much like Israel using anti-Semitism as a shield that you can hide atrocities behind. It’s kind of disgusting. I would much rather not bring religion into this whatsoever.

          The void of all religious context, what I see, is an occupying force within the Palestinian nation.

          The second religion is brought into this confrontation. It becomes very dangerous on either side Religion is not the answer here. It is the problem

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            It’s sad you feel entitled to an opinion when it’s obvious you use infotainment as your primary source of information/news. To call what I taught you about Nazi views and Mengle experiments on humans nonsense… now I know you are not arguing in any informed manner or good faith.

            Hope you get informed before you hurt your friends with your ignorance IRL.

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              That’s incredibly rich, the majority of the Western infotainment right now is particularly in support of Israel.

              To be clear, the nonsense part is your characterization of me, which is horseshit.