Bodies of Israeli residents and Palestinian militants lay outside of burned-out homes in the Israeli kibbutz Kfar Aza on Tuesday, days after Hamas launched a large-scale surprise assault on Israel, sending heavily armed fighters pouring across the border from Gaza and rampaging through rural communities.
Leaving this from the Reddit thread, since it was put so well:
I look forward to seeing how this is excused, justified, and quietly cheered on by some of our fine members. No doubt the babies were “guards” in the “open air prison” and were in fact apartheid babies.
And hey, you can’t blame people for murdering dozens of babies, as long as those people have hard lives. And of course being known as the sort of people who would murder a bunch of babies has NOTHING to do with why they have hard lives.
Edit: Ok so far the top winners are, in no particular order:
“They had it coming”
“I’m not saying that they had it coming, but they had it coming.”
“Give peace a chance.”
And my favorite, the short lived “It didn’t happen.”
no need to justify this, the scale of dead kids is still tipped HEAVILY towards Palestinians.
Do you mean more Palestinian children have been killed or the Palestinians have killed more children? Isn’t it great that its ambiguous enough that I even need to ask?
Solving terrorism with war crimes sounds about right for 2023
thats the things. its not. the number are out there for everybody to see but you just dont hear about it.
95% of all victims of this conflicts are palestinians. lets stop pretending the numbers are similar.
“well we’re really just evening the dead baby numbers” with the implication that that even remotely makes this justifiable.
No, I’ll never support anyone who murders babies, be it whatever side or reason. You coming in here and defending baby murdering screams “both sideing” baby murdering as something that’s even remotely defendable. It isn’t, do some self reflection, same to whoever felt the need to upvote such messed up worldview.
For years I’ve been arguing for the plight of Palestinians, but to hear such disgusting arguments from someone who holds the same goal (freedom of oppression for Palestinians) and spouting that without shame is on par with those who deny the apartheid policies of Israel (I’d argue it’s worse, but at this point it’s the shit Olympics of opinion, and they’re all on the podium).
Nobody is defending murdering babies you are ridiculous
No you are ridiculous for thinking what you wrote isn’t somehow interpretable as that.
You write:
But somehow this isn’t a justification on literal dead children. Yeah sure buddy. Could’ve lead with “well there’s no excuse, but there have been far more dead Palestinian children in this conflict”, instead you wrote that drivel. That’s why I’m saying you’re both side-ing literal baby murder.
Pretending to be talking about good and evil is defending murdering children. 300 children (according to The Guardian who quotes Palestine authorities) died from Israel strikes already. It’s not like killing in uniform and with “precision” strikes is less killing.
It is exactly both sides, although there are qualitative (hamas raids of innocents were somewhat more brutal and violent) and quantitative (many more palestinians dead) differences.
Then there is the whole historical analysis which is a whole other debate.
What the hell are you talking about good and evil for?
Have I so far defended Israel’s response? No, and I don’t actually agree with their response either. The proper approach wasn’t to escalate and as they are in the position of power they have that choice. That still doesn’t mean I’ll go in threads defending actions that have lead to baby murdering, something so vile and heartless that only a blind ideologue could ever defend it or use it as a “but they were worse” argument.
Blind ideologues might hate it, but sometimes the two sides are shit, and in the case of IDF and Hamas, they both are, and Palestinians are in between. That still doesn’t give anyone the right to kill children.
Add this one to your list: “Hamas is the monster Israel created.”
Enjoy no replies because the sheer amount of documentation of Israeli support for Hamas over any peaceful coalition is overwhelming.
Israel has offered peace deals time and again, but Palestinian leaders rject any deal that isn’t the destruction of Israel.
The only deal Israel has ever offered involves ceding over the majority of the West Bank. If Palestinian statehood were ever properly recognized, Israel would be in violation of illegal occupation of Palestinian land. The peace offers are bullshit.
Palestine has never been a country, at any time in human history. Before the Six Day War, the land currently viewed as Palestine belonged to three of the countries that attempted genocide against Israel.
Israel has offered Palestinians pre-1967 borders, effectively establishing a Palestinian state, and those offers were rejected because Israel would still exist. You may want to Google the Six Day War and see that the land was taken not from Palestine, but from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. This is why calling Israelis “colonizers” is so pants-on-head stupid. You’re not colonizing land you won in a war with established powers. Otto Von Bismarck was not colonizing during German Unification.
Here, I did it for you. There’s even a helpful graphic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
This isn’t a debate. These things all actually occurred. The only party seriously considering Palestinian statehood has always been Israel, and has never been Palestinian leadership.
The one time Palestinian leadership considered it, Hamas took over.
Oh yeah. Netanyahu absolutely supported Hamas as he actively worked to prevent peace talks from succeeding. They helped ratchet up the divisiveness he saw as essential for maintaining his political power and as an excuse to subjugate the Palestinian people.
Let’s see how many sides there are to your face. Do you blame the US for ISIS?
Edit: The number of people down voting an exploratory question attempting to engage in conversation is the pinnacle of evidence as to what is wrong with this world. Viva la ignorance.
Is that a trick question? I thought ISIS arising due to US actions was an accepted fact, not up for debate
Of course it’s not up for debate, but the other poster won’t say that because it goes against their argument about Israel not creating Hamas.
Yes
Absofuckinglutely
Absolutely, duh.
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What I will say on this, and check my most recent comment I will never defend these actions, is that Israel has an enormous defense industry that is linked, by design, to their huge grasp on the IT industry.
I have no reason to believe this isn’t true, but I also do have reason to believe that Israel has a better grasp of disseminating information that is beneficial to them and they have contacts in the absolute highest echelons of global tech and defense.
This is disgusting and shameful and I would have hoped for better from the oppressed.