Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).
Important notes:
- I don’t use scripts.
- I don’t mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don’t like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don’t have any posts in them so I wouldn’t have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It’s quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
- One of my bans reads “Appeal Granted, not a brigading member” but I’m still banned.
- I don’t troll.
WTF is going on here?
EDIT - Updated Info from the conversation below: In the initial image, you can see two “ban waves.”
The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community. It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.
The other bans from two months ago are from four total downvotes over a 10-month timeframe in one Community.
I have also stated in this thread that I don’t have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.
EDIT 2: Now unbanned from the ten Communities listed as “3 months ago” in my initial image, but have been banned from three more because of this thread with the reason given being “self-proclaimed anti-AI brigader” which are two things I didn’t claim to be. God dammit Lemmy…
Those same people probably find intellectual property moral, so immoral people themselves.
Oh, so you don’t really have a proper grasp on the issue, huh?
You see, creators create things because they need money to provide food, shelter, etc
AI directly steals from creators so that it can attempt to reproduce something to replace them.
So you can be over here like “blahblah you don’t have a right to defend your intellectual property blahblah”, but no reasonable adult will ever take you seriously. Because you are advocating for the dissolution of jobs and attacking livelihoods.
So shut up! :)
Thats a capitalism problem, not an AI problem. AI is just the most recent example.
They shouldn’t have to rely on maybe getting paid so they can have food, shelter, and other basic things for living.
Right… but they do… so…
Irrelevant until we fix that problem. And guess what? Advocating for AI in the meantime is only going to give more power to corporations :) so great job, bud!
I dont advocate for corporate AI.
I’d also mention most users on db0 are far more likely to be using fully open models and models they’ve trained themselves (which is what I do, mostly log/error eval stuff).
That said, “fixing” AI will solve nothing, because capitalism is going to find yet another way to screw them over. Banning AI tomorrow isn’t going to provide job security or a stable income, it wasn’t before and it isn’t now.
I work with a lot of creatives, and so many are contract based and struggle between them. Several of them have been finding work cleaning up (as in, creating new) materials that were AI generated and look terrible.
So again, the issue is capitalism, and AI is just the most recent conversation piece. AI isn’t the root of the problem, nor is the problem “solved” without it.
No no, I’m saying “fixing capitalism” is necessary before advocating for AI lmao.
“Fixing capitalism” is just ending capitalism, the problems are inherent in its design.
In any case, you seem to be under the impression that all AI is just chatgpt, copilot, Gemini, grok, meta, etc. This is not the case. There are models trained entirely on peoples own work/material, models trained only on public domain materials, etc. Its just software and data, and the issue you are taking is - from your example - a capitalism problem, and has nothing to do with the software.
So what you’re saying now reads no differently than “We have to fix capitalism before we can advocate for Linux!”
Would that make sense as a statement to you?
That’s a fair statement, but I think it’s a more fair statement to say almost anyone hating on AI is usually referring to corporate AI in the first place. Also, the person whose behalf you’re defending AI clearly thinks that the AIs being trained on other peoples’ work is completely fine. So I think you jumped in on the wrong side tbh
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No, I’m pretty comfortable where I’m at.
I think intellectual property is a functional element of capitalism, and capitalism is a problem. I support people directly, and could not care less about anyone downloading content. I also support the local art scene, through events and direct purchase of works.
That doesn’t mean that I think intellectual property (as a product) is sensible in any way.
That said, all my models are personally trained on my own data, and maybe a public domain based model for basic language to put context to a detected issue. That doesnt mean I’m going to put down folks who use a local model trained on some degree of copyright works, because no matter what, those users aren’t the problem. Corporations are.
Because capitalism is a problem.
I’d say its more accurate that the people who constantly hate on AI are ignorant of the tools and their use, and most often their position is nothing more than “capitalism is the problem” (see above) whether they realize it or not.
And some will even go on to defend capitalism, which makes it even weirder to me.
And considering some of the comments across this post, I’d say my perception is pretty accurate.
Congratulations you’ve discovered capitalism is the enemy.
No reasonable leftist will ever take you seriously if you want to fight for the status quo.
So go fuck yourself :)
Yes, capitalism IS bad. Labor is stolen and exploited for profit by people who added nothing or next to nothing. Sound familiar?
No, you absolute child, it is LAUGHABLE for you to consider yourself a “leftist”.
Real leftists advocate for harm reduction, meaning that defending individual creator’s IP rights are a MUST, at least until capitalism is abolished.
In other words… got anything intelligent to say, or just going to keep saying stupid shit?
Liberals advocate for harm reduction. Leftists advocate for revolution.
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LOL.
Liberals advocate for realistic change towards a better world for everyone. Leftists advocate for an authoritarian fantasy only they want.
What’s authoritarian about anarchism?
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Sorry, aren’t you busy revolting or something?
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This just in: Technology makes some jobs obsolete. More at 11.
Right, did you miss the part where the AIs are usually trained using stolen data and also consume huge amounts of energy? Why are you defending AI rn? 🥱
Did I miss the part where you made a terrible argument and are now pivoting to something else?
Nope sure didn’t.
My original argument was still pretty sound, actually! Thanks for trying tho!
Lol adorable.
You sure are. 🥰 Why don’t you give a real argument about how you think it’s okay for, under the oppressive system of capitalism, capital owners to expand their tools with which they exploit the working class? Go on bud, go for it!
Corporations famously LOVE random people being able to easily misuse their IP.
They actually only spend billions each year fighting to strengthen IP laws because they love the little guy so much. Disney et al are socialist heroes fighting for the well being of artists each time they extend the copyright on ‘their’ creations.
I always love watching you guys crash out like this 🙂
It would have been fun to watch you melt down about the printing press or the camera.