In a new poll, nearly half of Canadians say they support the notwithstanding clause to ensure that schools tell parents if their child wishes to use a different name or pronoun.
In a new poll, nearly half of Canadians say they support the notwithstanding clause to ensure that schools tell parents if their child wishes to use a different name or pronoun.
What? I didn’t say any of that. I didn’t say anything about child protection. I was just saying what the poll asked and what people responded. I’m not saying anything about it or implying anything about child protection. I’m giving information directly from the article.
To be clear:
OP asked if people “support outing children to abusive parents when doing so might endanger the child.”
The poll asked if the teacher should have to inform the parents of a child’s wishes even if the child says they don’t feel safe telling their parents.
According to the article, just under half of respondents said yes, the teacher should have to notify parents even if the child doesn’t feel safe doing so.
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Exactly. The child not feeling safe does not equate to there being endangerment, at least in theory, because the parents the child has raised concern about will become under the watchful eye of child protective services when the teacher raises that concern as well. We don’t exist in a vacuum. You would not have one without the other.
Again, maybe you’re trying to imply that those services are not effective. That very well may be true, but if that is the case, then that needs to be made known. Most people have faith in government services and are making decisions based on that understanding.
Again, I’m not saying anything about those services or anything about what the teacher will actually do. I’m only talking about the question and the answer. If you disagree with how I’m reading the question or interpreting the answer, that’s one thing, but stop reading into (or putting into) anything I’m saying to be about the effectiveness of child protective services or the morality of teachers.
They are not separable concepts. The are intrinsically linked. Again, we do not exist in a vacuum. You cannot talk about one without the other coming along for the ride.
I get that you like having a neat and orderly space where you can focus on one individual idea and forget that everything else exists. Who doesn’t? But this poll is conducted in the real world, where people look at the entire world when considering things. They have no reason to be concerned about a parent inflicting harm based on revealing name information because they understand that the child raising concern about their safety around the parents will also trigger additional supports to address that issue.
Again, you may be trying to imply (since you won’t speak to it directly) that those supports are not effective. That very well may be true, but if that is the case, then that needs to be made known. Most people have faith in government services and are making decisions based on that understanding.
In summary: Your original comment doesn’t address the comment it is in reply to. It fails on faulty logic.
This is where I disagree. Your entire premise that what I’m pointing out implies something else is based on a fallacy.
Frankly, you’re giving people way more credit for how deep they would be thinking about the implications of their answer.
Just because you answered yes because you thought this was the case, doesn’t mean everyone, or even most people would think that.
And, if you desperately want my opinion on what you’re arguing… I think it’s disgusting to answer yes to that question thinking that it doesn’t matter because the system will protect the children. You’re giving the system too much credit, and while most might, not every teacher or school official will be on the student’s side.