In this Lemmy thread? Most posters I’ve seen here are pro-Palestine, but most people that I’ve seen discussing this topic are willing to hear reasonable counter-arguments.

Keep in mind however that listening and understanding someone does not imply agreeing with the person.

In this Hacker News thread? …they’re basically Redditors LARPing as h4x0rz. So of course they’re busier assuming words onto each others’ mouths so they can screech “WAAAAH YOU EVIL!” and point fingers, than trying to listen and understand.

I can sympathise with Israeli individuals and Palestinian individuals. At the end of the day, they’re just trying to live their lives. The situation is shitty for both, and it’s mostly the result of Hamas on one side and the state of Israel on the other.

However it would be incorrect to say that it’s equally shitty for both. Palestinians are clearly getting it worse - because the ability of the state of Israel to kill Palestinians is far, far bigger than the ability of Hamas to kill Israelis. And the state of Israel does use it, given its nationalistic mindset that backtracks to its very foundation, even if coated on ancient age superstitions/religion/folklore.

And… well. The governments in Western Europe and USA don’t care about some dead children or whatever. They only care about the state of Israel, as it’s a convenient pet in the Middle East for power projection and commercial partnerships.

It’s the exact same thing in Ukraine, by the way.