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Anti-Nazi rallies should include Jews. They don’t.
facepalm
They could just not allow all controversial topics to keep peace within the movement. But I’m not naive, this is likely antisemitic purity test
Yes it is
These people don’t hate the Nazis because they did the Holocaust. They hate the Holocaust because the Nazis did it.
Most Tankies seem to be fine wirh [sic] Soviet Antisemitism
That is a perfect way of putting it
Wow, extremely well said.
By “these people” do you mean the black woman and queer person who organized this event as well as the Cincinnati March for Racial Justice in 2020? I’m skeptical that they are “tankies” or that they wish they had done the Holocaust.
e: oh this poster is insanely Islamophobic rofl. great upvoting job guys
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I can’t stress this point enough: the Shoah and the Samudaripen were not the sole responsibility of one nationality, let alone their head of state. Perpetrators included Austrians, Balts, Finns, Frenchmen, East Slavs, West Slavs, South Slavs, Italians, Romanians, and many others, often without orders from Berlin and often without enrolling in any of its forces. I don’t like it when we say that ‘the Nazis’, or specifically their leader, killed millions of Jews, because it was really an atrocity that Europe’s fascist upper classes ordered, of whom the Third Reich’s government was only one large part.
Soviet antisemitism, like antisemitism elsewhere, does sadden me. Just because I don’t take every accusation thereof at face value doesn’t mean that I must be ‘fine’ with it. Some people make an accusation in good faith; most of them don’t, so I want to be circumspect before I make up my mind. I’m not a Judeopessimist, and hopefully you’ll agree when I say that I have good reasons not to be.
The Shoah is one of many reasons why we hate the Fascists. I think that we usually don’t say that out loud because it’s a given, but when we drily or pragmatically explain how antisemitism harms the lower classes, I can see how we come across as loveless. So I want to take this moment to state that it’s okay to say that you oppose the Shoah and the Nakba because you love Jewish people and their Palestinian siblings, or just love humanity in general. In certain contexts it does sound strange to say that you love somebody else’s heritage, but as an explanation for your good deeds, you don’t need to be afraid to say it.
I’d put money on the guess that the “jewish people being excluded” in the original article really just means that leftists don’t want zionists at their rallies
The url slug in the screenshot is
protest-against-nazi-exclude-jewish-people-zionist-progressiveI hate that there are people out there who can say “progressive zionist” with a straight face
Do you have any writings/posts about “soviet antisemitism”?
I know that soviet leadership was overrepresented by jewish people, just like most revolutionary movements were, in part because of the relatively higher education jewish people pursued and in other part because movements that seeked equality were more positively received by people that were persecuted, like the jewish people were.
I imagine antisemitism in the early soviet union was still very rampant, after all the ussr was born in the very antisemitic tsarist russia, whom secret police wrote the antisemitic conspiracy of “protocols of elders of zion”. But “soviet antisemitism” makes it seem like it was a policy of the soviets when in fact we know how most european countries considered the soviets a jewish conspiracy.
This is how the good ol’ winston churchill saw those “terrorist” soviet jews:
Not surprisingly, the virulent anti-Semitism of all classes in the pre-1917 Russian Empire has left remnants of anti-Semitic attitudes, especially among older, less educated and more rural populations, even after two generations of Soviet education. To the extent that such attitudes linger on, in spite of official Party policies designed to eradicate them, must be distinguished from the economic and political policies and educational campaigns of the Party.
Evidence concerning whether or not Jews in the Soviet Union experienced a significant amount of interpersonal anti-Semitism is mixed. Studies of recent Soviet emigree’s anti-Semitic experiences casts considerable doubt on the theory that interpersonal anti-Semitism is a major factor in the country. A 1973 survey of 2,527 emigrants from the USSR in Israel found that 25% of those who had been nationalist activists in the USSR claimed never personally to have experienced an incident of anti-Semitism.
In another survey of emigrants bound for Israel only 39% claimed that anti-Semitism in the USSR was a primary reason for their emigration. It is of interest to note that many more emigrants, bound for the U.S. rather than for Israel, claimed both to have experienced anti-Semitism and that such experiences were the primary reason for their emigration.
Anti-Soviet pro-Jewish emigrant observers, such as Gitelman, draw the reasonable conclusion that a language of motives focusing on anti-Semitism has been formulated that maximizes the probability of being accepted into the U.S., that is, affirms the claim to legitimate refugee status. Asserting the desire to make more money or to advance one’s career as the reason for emigration to the U.S. would not be effective.⁸⁶
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The pogroms carried out by the Soviet army occupy a special place. Although the total number of 106 pogroms and excesses is an impressive one, the Soviet army can by no means be classified with the other pogrom-making groups. Quite the contrary, the Soviet army took all means at its disposal to protect the Jews from pogroms.
Even in the places where such pogroms occurred the Jewish inhabitants in these places remained, nevertheless, sympathetic to the Soviet army, knowing that these pogroms were carried out against the will of the authorities and that the guilty ones were being severely punished.
The pogroms made by Soviet soldiers were exceptions and accidental. They were made, in the main, by detachments of other armies that had gone over to the side of the Soviets. These troops, under the stress of civil war, broke the military discipline and started making pogroms in the same way they had carried on under anti-Soviet leadership.
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I am highly skeptical of claims that antisemitism was ever a Soviet policy, but unfortunately I am sure that there were more than a handful of incidents between individuals, and that hardly makes them any less tragic than state- or institution-sanctioned discrimination.
Of course, for most antisocialists it isn’t enough if scores of Soviet troops went rogue and committed antisemitic violence. The number needs to be absurdly high and it must all be framed as a direct consequence of implementing the Communist Manifesto into practice (regardless of whether or not that is demonstrable).
“Men make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please; they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brain of the living.” - Karl Marx.
Reminded me of this quote, xenophobic traditions do damage for many generations.
Soviet antisemitism… such as being opposed to zionism.
sorry, forgot the word “rally”… too early in the morning for me lol
jewish “left” huh… riiight. every anti nazi rally in my city always features jewish people. these posters are lunatics, yet another reason to never go to that nazi site
