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Anti-Nazi rallies should include Jews. They don’t.
facepalm
They could just not allow all controversial topics to keep peace within the movement. But I’m not naive, this is likely antisemitic purity test
Yes it is
These people don’t hate the Nazis because they did the Holocaust. They hate the Holocaust because the Nazis did it.
Most Tankies seem to be fine wirh [sic] Soviet Antisemitism
That is a perfect way of putting it
Wow, extremely well said.
By “these people” do you mean the black woman and queer person who organized this event as well as the Cincinnati March for Racial Justice in 2020? I’m skeptical that they are “tankies” or that they wish they had done the Holocaust.
e: oh this poster is insanely Islamophobic rofl. great upvoting job guys
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I can’t stress this point enough: the Shoah and the Samudaripen were not the sole responsibility of one nationality, let alone their head of state. Perpetrators included Austrians, Balts, Finns, Frenchmen, East Slavs, West Slavs, South Slavs, Italians, Romanians, and many others, often without orders from Berlin and often without enrolling in any of its forces. I don’t like it when we say that ‘the Nazis’, or specifically their leader, killed millions of Jews, because it was really an atrocity that Europe’s fascist upper classes ordered, of whom the Third Reich’s government was only one large part.
Soviet antisemitism, like antisemitism elsewhere, does sadden me. Just because I don’t take every accusation thereof at face value doesn’t mean that I must be ‘fine’ with it. Some people make an accusation in good faith; most of them don’t, so I want to be circumspect before I make up my mind. I’m not a Judeopessimist, and hopefully you’ll agree when I say that I have good reasons not to be.
The Shoah is one of many reasons why we hate the Fascists. I think that we usually don’t say that out loud because it’s a given, but when we drily or pragmatically explain how antisemitism harms the lower classes, I can see how we come across as loveless. So I want to take this moment to state that it’s okay to say that you oppose the Shoah and the Nakba because you love Jewish people and their Palestinian siblings, or just love humanity in general. In certain contexts it does sound strange to say that you love somebody else’s heritage, but as an explanation for your good deeds, you don’t need to be afraid to say it.
Do you have any writings/posts about “soviet antisemitism”?
I know that soviet leadership was overrepresented by jewish people, just like most revolutionary movements were, in part because of the relatively higher education jewish people pursued and in other part because movements that seeked equality were more positively received by people that were persecuted, like the jewish people were.
I imagine antisemitism in the early soviet union was still very rampant, after all the ussr was born in the very antisemitic tsarist russia, whom secret police wrote the antisemitic conspiracy of “protocols of elders of zion”. But “soviet antisemitism” makes it seem like it was a policy of the soviets when in fact we know how most european countries considered the soviets a jewish conspiracy.
This is how the good ol’ winston churchill saw those “terrorist” soviet jews:
https://archive.org/details/WinstonChurchillZionismVsBolshevismStruggleForTheSoulOfTheJewishPeople1920
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I am highly skeptical of claims that antisemitism was ever a Soviet policy, but unfortunately I am sure that there were more than a handful of incidents between individuals, and that hardly makes them any less tragic than state- or institution-sanctioned discrimination.
Of course, for most antisocialists it isn’t enough if scores of Soviet troops went rogue and committed antisemitic violence. The number needs to be absurdly high and it must all be framed as a direct consequence of implementing the Communist Manifesto into practice (regardless of whether or not that is demonstrable).
Reminded me of this quote, xenophobic traditions do damage for many generations.