Putin says Ukrainian troops in Russia's Kursk must 'surrender or die'
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The Russian leader says his forces have trapped the remaining Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that Russia had trapped the remaining Ukrainian soldiers in its western Kursk region, where they have held on for more than seven months in one of the most important battles of the war.

  • cool@lemmings.worldEnglish
    11·
    9 hours ago

    I’m not here to spread propaganda or justify my indoctrination.

    Do you just argue with everyone on the internet that’s looking for an argument? Lol.

    • Tuukka R@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      11·
      8 hours ago

      Well, no, I don’t.

      But here I write because it is useful to continue this conversation until you have really shown that you have zero arguments to back your claim. The conversation will be read by other people who can draw whatever conclusions one can make from a …conversation? like this.

      It’s also an example of how pro-Russia argumentation works in general. You won’t get any actual arguments, except that a Jewish president is somehow a nazi. While that’s not the strongest of arguments, at least it is an argument :)

      • cool@lemmings.worldEnglish
        1·
        8 hours ago

        But here I write because it is useful to continue this conversation until you have really shown that you have zero arguments to back your claim.

        I’m not here to sit and convince you people, especially considering you people cover your ears to any realities you don’t like and censor any information that debunks your propaganda.

        Did you think Ukraine was going to retake Crimea? If the answer is YES, then you were a victim of propaganda.

        If you think Ukraine can win without additional troops, then you’re still a victim of propaganda and you haven’t learned anything since their failed counteroffensive.

        The propaganda war is real on both sides. Just look at how I was censored for saying Ukraine can’t win without additional troops. Are you intelligent enough to recognize how this culture of censoring uncomfortable truths influences your view of the war?

        You people can’t fathom that Ukraine is losing because you have no conception of how much information is being controlled for you.

        • Tuukka R@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1·
          3 hours ago

          Did you think Ukraine was going to retake Crimea?

          I do not think Ukraine can overpower the Russia’s army as it stands at the moment. It also cannot win (or lose) through military attrition.

          If you think Ukraine can win without additional troops –

          Ukraine cannot have a military win over the Russia’s army as it stands at the moment without additional troops.

          You’re countering arguments that I have not made. And saying that those arguments that you’re saying but I am not somehow make me a victim of propaganda. The only thing that matters is this combination:

          • Militarily neither country is able to advance in any manner.
          • Ukraine’s economy is around a tenth of that of Italy or the Russia. The EU is able to cover all of Ukraine’s costs indefinitely.
          • The Russia needs to cover its costs by itself, and cannot do that in the medium term.

          This means, the two militaries are able to keep the front stable until the economy of one of the two countries collapses. Ukraine’s economy is practically unable to collapse, the Russia’s economy is able to collapse and eventually will. And then the war ends.

          One thing I’d ask of you: Please stop covering your ears to realities and descend to the level of us mortals. And give an argument that has something to do with Ukraine or the Russia, not just with men made of straw.