RN here, it’s because your body has a more difficult time accessing the sugars in fruit form. They are wrapped up in multiple types of fiber which add bulk to your digestive system and serve as kind of a shield for your body to less easily access the sugar. The juice is essentially just the sugar with all the fiber strained out, has others have said this causes a situation where you can drink the calories from like 18 oranges in 45 seconds, and your body can access it immediately and easily. This is also why whole fruit is actually a good thing for diabetics because the glycemic index is actually pretty low.
Flavonoids and polyphenols. Cleveland Health has articles on both.
Some years ago some medication I was on put me at risk for diabetes (not an issue now), and my Dr. at the time mentioned the benefit of fruit, however I never really asked them to elaborate.
Thanks for that explanation, it makes a lot of sense the way you’ve described the function. You learn something new everyday!
There was some guy on telly did a test. Half the group had to eat oranges. The other half had to drink orange juice. Then swapped them over the next day. I can’t remember the exact setup but i think it was like ‘eat/drink as much as you want, stop when you feel full’.
Everyone was able to consume far, far more calories in juice form and probably far more sugar than they needed.
I think like even eating enough oranges for 1x300ml glass was hard for many people to do in fruit form. Basically, the rest of the orange filled them up and that’s what we’re better evolved for: slower digestion of a more varied mush and lots of fibre and stuff like that.
The juice is far too easy for us to eat way more than needed.
Juice being bad doesn’t necessarily make the whole fruit good. The glycemic index still has to be considered in the context of the person and their diet.
You’re just another shill for big juice, Pulptastic.
/s in case it’s not obvious
Sorry, to clear it up I’m team juice very bad fruit occasionally.
People have spoken a lot about how digestible the sugars are, but in terms of overall healthiness, the fibre is an important component even beyond its impact on sugar absorption. Many people do not get enough fibre in their diets.
fiber
Pretty much this. Although the antioxidants and other phytonutrients might also play a role, and a lot of those are bound up in the fiber.
They are like 11g of augars in 100g lf berries. They are not mostly sugar
Well, mostly water. But besides that, it’s mostly sugars and fiber, in that order.
I think that seems to be the gist of the answers here, the sugar is all bundled up with other stuff that makes it both difficult to efficiently digest from the surrounding bulk and filling because of that bulk and also a bunch of water.
Sugar: THE BITTER TRUTH
Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin. Recorded on 05/26/2009.
He is so well spoken, and his work is very impactful!
Are they? Depends how many you eat.
You think this obese monkey was eating raspberries? They probably got into a human garbage. Get real.
Do you think being fat didn’t happen to any humans or animals before the invention of processed food?
That’s a good question. What evidence do we have for the existence and prevalence of obesity in prehistoric humans?
Because it takes quite a lot of effort to eat a huge amount of sugar in the form on fruits and berries. They also have some vitamins, fibers and other stuff in them too.
Is it weird that I woke up this morning wondering the same exact thing? 😳
A bug in the matrix
The dose makes the poison, really. It’s quite hard to reach a harmful amount of sugar by just eating fruit - you’re likely to get either full or bored with eating fruit before you start reaching unhealthy levels of sugar. Combine this with fruits and berries generally being a good source of dietary fiber, this makes for a good combination of attributes you want in healthy food.
It’s the vitamins. These tiny black things that always crawl on top of the fruits…
Because sugar isn’t unhealthy in the first place, you’ll die without any sugar.
While there are essential fats and proteins, there are no essential sugars. Your body can work perfectly fine indefinitely without any sugars of any kind.
They’re probably thinking about glucose, which is the sugar in “blood sugar”. You’ll die without it, but it’s created endogenously in the liver and kidneys.
You won’t die if you don’t eat sugar
Most obtuse comment thus far.
Because these are naturally grown sources of sugar that is untainted by the joke of the food industry’s idea of processing sugar?
The issue with processed food isn’t the artificial part or the refined part, it’s the calorie dense part. Fresh fruit juice is processed sugar, vegan pizza is highly refined, and organic granola bars are still highly processed.
The calorie density makes it far too easy to over consume, and to do so regularly.
Sugar is produced naturally in sugar beet and sugar cane plants.
Whole fruits are a treat that can be tolerated by a healthy person in very moderate quantities. Think about the quantities you would get if you went out physically picking fruit off of a tree. So not a big bowl of easy to consume fruit from the grocery store, but when you put the physical effort in… It’s ok
There is no essential nutrition in fruit, historically, the role of fruit was as a fattening device before winter. An opportunistic caloric boon.
The biggest argument in favor of citrus fruits is there vitamin c. In the modern dietary context with really high blood glucose levels there is competition for the natural vitamin c pathway, the glut4 receptor. Citrus, by virtue of flooding the body of vitamin c, gets enough vitamin c into these cells and wins the competition with the blood glucose levels.
If a whole fruit offsets something worse you could eat, like a candy bar - then yes it is healthier then a candy bar, but it’s also healthier then a cigarette. That doesn’t tell us much about its essential levels of “health” in isolation.
Tldr: whole fruit is a sometimes treat, but it does not contribute to your health.
I couldn’t be more wrong if I tried
I’ll grant you my position is unpopular, but I haven’t seen any data indicating it is wrong.
People can, and have, lived long happy lives without any fruit.
People can, and have, lived long happy lives without any fruit.
nobody would argue that
People can, and have, lived long happy lives without any fruit.
nobody would argue that
I couldn’t be more wrong if I tried
Help me understand your position then. What was wrong about my original comment that fruit is a treat best enjoyed in moderation?
There is sugar, absolutely. And that’s probably where most of the calories come from. But there is also water, cellulose (fiber), and vitamins/minerals - doesn’t have much non-sugar caloric value to change that balance, but it’s still important. And nobody serious is suggesting you eat only fruit, so you can get non-sugar calories from other sources and it can be balanced in the big picture.
It’s kind of like an appropriate amount of dressing on a salad, the good outweighs the bad and makes you more likely to actually eat that nutrition-positive food.
Source: I’m some guy on the Internet. You can trust me.
Source: I’m some guy on the Internet. You can trust me.
With the amount of AI slop out there, in this day and age this is actually a surprisingly high level of trust.
Admittedly when I wrote that I had moments like “cellulose is in fruit, right? And that’s fiber?” and when I googled with neutral terms I mostly trusted Google’s AI slop 🤣
nobody serious is suggesting you eat only fruit
Notorious for having lived a long life…
56 is long if you were born around 1901
I’m pretty sure Jobs either didn’t die at 56 or wasn’t born around 1901.
around
Maybe ± 70 years.
Is it? I always thought lower life expectancies were dragged down by infant mortality. Basically if you survive the crib you’d likely live into your 70s.
When referring to diseases, yeah, but there was also a lot of death from wars and other violence, severe injuries from dangerous labor, and labor was pretty risky. If one was healthy and avoided injury they were certainly on par with modern life spans.
Yeah, that’s what my dad says, and he’s a medieval historian, so I believe him. I guess it’s possible that lifespan in 1901 was much shorter than the middle ages, but that seems unlikely
I thought about that as I wrote it! I stand by what I said.
So where’s does he claim to only eat fruit?
Are you confusing it with him recommending to use Apple? 😋 (/s)Also the man was insane. If you based on false beliefs make decisions against professional advice, that are detrimental to your well being, and even put your life in danger, that is AFAIK a very key aspect of being insane.
He was someone who was a fruititarian at various points in his life. He was also someone who didn’t shower at certain points in his life. And he went for alternative medicine when he got sick.
My ex- decided to become a fruititarian, with hopes of becoming a breathitarian someday after reading about a yogi who allegedly had done so.
Emphasis on the ex-.
OK, that only confirms to me that he was in fact insane. There is no way we are supposed to eat only fruit, it simply doesn’t provide any real energy, but consumes as much to digest as it yields, meaning there is no way to survive on fruit alone.
He chose to not listen to medical advice for cancer and instead dragged things out with ‘alternative medicine’ long enough that real medical treatment wouldn’t be successful anymore but still pulled strings to get a transplant.
He was nuts.
He’s also responsible for getting the ball rolling on enshittification. When you could connect an ipod to a computer, the files were scattered to a billon random places, and you were FORCED to have itunes.
Now, every single fucking thing has to come with their own app. fuck this.
1/2 bottle of Ranch an appropriate amount?
For the first half of the meal, yes.
Are you both from the US? It was rough getting used to how much you all like to drown out the food with various sauces
It’s called: “Fatland”.
No, and I was just havin a gaff
