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    7 days ago

    Hey guys, there is a lot of troll baiting in this thread. You’ve been doing a great job of not falling for it, so I’m not going to lock it. Newbies to this thread, check the times of when it was made and if it brings up the distant past a lot, those are good clues. Leave one comment at most to save everyone’s sanity.

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    6 days ago

    Not sure who still isn’t getting this.

    There is a literal American traitor in the Oval Office. One who has flagrantly violated the law, and specifically the Constitution, numerous times.

    Impeachment is meaningless, as we’ve witnessed multiple times in American history. Impeachment is an acceptable process if the violation is minimal and not repeated. It’s a slap on the wrist. A warning.

    We are WAY beyond a symbolic slap on the wrist with no real repercussions. Impeachment is not a valid tool to use in a situation like this. At minimum, we are at the point where there needs to be massive protests like we just saw, repeatedly, until he is removed from office. If that fails, then there needs to be a general strike until he’s removed. If that fails, then he needs to be removed from office by force.

    If we can’t manage these things, we will continue seeing the degradation of our freedoms, the collapse of our economy, the destruction of our founding document, signaling the end of our democracy, and the hole we’ll end up finding ourselves in will be one we won’t see this country come out of for the remainder of our lives.

    It is time to remove this traitor and his treasonous enablers from their positions of power.

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    They had a better chance of impeaching him for Jan 6th for actual insurrection than they do this time. Why? Because there are so many legal loop holes with the War Time Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization of The Use of Military Force. These loopholes were used by both Bush Jr. and Obama for various justifications for air strikes so the precedent is already there. Don’t get your hopes up and chalk up it up political theater. It’s also a distraction from what’s going on. Thanks again to Twatter being that megaphone of “HEY LOOK OVER HERE!”

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    We haven’t declared war since WW2. Everything has been AUMF, which can be done within 60 days retroactively. As always, the government is checks and balances, so if Congress refuses to exercise its powers and let the executive do whatever, it’s a moot point.

    I think it’d only lead to impeachment if Congress wants us gone within 60 days and Trump refuses, continues without an AUMF, and then Congress actually had the balls to push back at that point.

    But if someone is more familiar with the legal processes involved here, please do correct me or add to this.

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    Didn’t they dangle an “impeachment” so many times the last time it literally stopped meaning anything? I see thru this game and I ain’t buying it.

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    Which the Democrats should absolutely fucking do regardless of whether The Republicans will vote to convict, which of course they won’t, but the point is, we can’t just sit back and do nothing. We have to at least show that we’re willing to take the steps that are necessary to dissent.

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        even if there were, the gop would never convict him, the last 2 times showed us that.

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        They could at least introduce the resolution. It’s not a true win, but at least they don’t continue to be seen just lying down and taking it.

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            It can be introduced as a “privileged resolution“ which bypasses Johnson’s ability to do that. That said the GOP still has a number of options to table it, or refer it to committee, but at least that bypasses that fuckwad Johnson. This fucking government I swear to God. Can we just please have a constitutional convention already?

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              I’m not particularly confident that a constitutional convention would end positively. You need 3/4 of state legislatures to agree to any change and Republicans are much more likely than Democrats to reach that threshold. The most realistic outcome is probably an amendment banning DEI initiatives or corporate tax rates above 10% or some shit like that.

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            Impeach Johnson, too. Throw them all out via the 14th amendment. I’m so tired of the republicans being consistently the worst people on earth.

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        Doesn’t matter.

        Every impeachable offense needs to be processed. The time the GOP spends defending him is time they aren’t spending actively destroying the world.

        Plus, we need to have a clear and firm record of who supports his actions.