A lot of this I’m on board with, and I know Patreon is a shitty company with its own problems, but including “join my Patreon” in this list is silly.
Creative people deserve to be supported by the people enjoying what they’ve created. If the complaint is strictly about Patreon or about how Patreon has monopolised the “creator support” space then I agree, but the wording makes it seem that there’s something wrong with artists who have Patreon memberships.
It would be better of them to encourage direct donations or something ofc but 🤷♂️ I just felt that one item missed the mark!
I would imagine the problem isnt paying creators or artists with membership support as a concept, but more that its still annoying to be bombarded with all of these different costs. I’m paying for this, I’m paying for that, where am I supposed to get the money to pay a monthly subscription for this one creator? You can’t enjoy anything without being reminded theres another bill. I am annoyed by patreon subscription requests, I don’t have the money. Whether or not the money is going to a better place doesn’t necessarilly make being reminded everything costs money and that you are broke ass bitch any more fun
I sympathise with you. I often have to rotate which creators I can monetarily support month to month because money is very tight. However, if I enjoy hours of videos from somebody, or if a painter or hobbyist I really enjoy releases something for sale, I think it’s important that I support them materially so that they can afford to keep doing what they do. I want more of their work, I appreciate what they create.
There’s nothing morally wrong with not paying for work that’s provided free of charge at all! And of course, in this economy, it’s important to take care of yourself and your needs first - but for me, if I have a choice between buying some sweets and a cola for myself, or giving a podcaster who I’ve enjoyed hundreds of hours of scripted and edited shows from a couple of quid, I’m gonna do the latter where I can!
but including “join my Patreon” in this list is silly.
Credit card companies make hundreds of billions a year on taking 3%. Patreon takes 10% and another 3% to cover the credit card. Direct pay to creators needs to be a thing.
I guess my question would be: what creator wouldn’t need direct funding from their fans?
That system of fan-to-creator patronage would cut out the parasitic marketer middle-men, starving them of ad placements and taking their ability to control the main creative hubs of the internet (through judgement of whether content is “ad friendly”) away, empowering creators to create what they (or their fans, as has always been the case to some degree) want.
I am definitely making assumptions though. My Patreon/Kofi donations go to miniature painters, webcomic creators, video essayists, podcasters, and people discussing the sports I enjoy, rather than any huge companies or anything, so my experience with Patreon is very much biased in that direction.
I can understand that. As far as I usually hear from the bigger creators in their videos, at least on YouTube, they are still subject to “ad friendliness” guidelines in their work to enable them to get ad reads and for ad placements.
To me, that still means their work is being perverted and held hostage by marketers so they’d definitely benefit from direct funding from their fans, at least in terms of freedom of expression and authenticity in their work.
If we’re talking about escaping the “enshittification” of the internet, we’re talking at least in part about escaping advertising and tracking.
With that in mind, there wouldn’t be $50,000USD ad read payouts; direct fan-to-creator patronage is (right now) and would be the best way to support creators you respect and appreciate.
A lot of this I’m on board with, and I know Patreon is a shitty company with its own problems, but including “join my Patreon” in this list is silly.
Creative people deserve to be supported by the people enjoying what they’ve created. If the complaint is strictly about Patreon or about how Patreon has monopolised the “creator support” space then I agree, but the wording makes it seem that there’s something wrong with artists who have Patreon memberships.
It would be better of them to encourage direct donations or something ofc but 🤷♂️ I just felt that one item missed the mark!
I would imagine the problem isnt paying creators or artists with membership support as a concept, but more that its still annoying to be bombarded with all of these different costs. I’m paying for this, I’m paying for that, where am I supposed to get the money to pay a monthly subscription for this one creator? You can’t enjoy anything without being reminded theres another bill. I am annoyed by patreon subscription requests, I don’t have the money. Whether or not the money is going to a better place doesn’t necessarilly make being reminded everything costs money and that you are broke ass bitch any more fun
I sympathise with you. I often have to rotate which creators I can monetarily support month to month because money is very tight. However, if I enjoy hours of videos from somebody, or if a painter or hobbyist I really enjoy releases something for sale, I think it’s important that I support them materially so that they can afford to keep doing what they do. I want more of their work, I appreciate what they create.
There’s nothing morally wrong with not paying for work that’s provided free of charge at all! And of course, in this economy, it’s important to take care of yourself and your needs first - but for me, if I have a choice between buying some sweets and a cola for myself, or giving a podcaster who I’ve enjoyed hundreds of hours of scripted and edited shows from a couple of quid, I’m gonna do the latter where I can!
Credit card companies make hundreds of billions a year on taking 3%. Patreon takes 10% and another 3% to cover the credit card. Direct pay to creators needs to be a thing.
I totally agree with you.
I would just assume the patreon part is about creators who dont need it
(and not some small artists how actually need the money)
I guess my question would be: what creator wouldn’t need direct funding from their fans?
That system of fan-to-creator patronage would cut out the parasitic marketer middle-men, starving them of ad placements and taking their ability to control the main creative hubs of the internet (through judgement of whether content is “ad friendly”) away, empowering creators to create what they (or their fans, as has always been the case to some degree) want.
I am definitely making assumptions though. My Patreon/Kofi donations go to miniature painters, webcomic creators, video essayists, podcasters, and people discussing the sports I enjoy, rather than any huge companies or anything, so my experience with Patreon is very much biased in that direction.
i mean the ones who can do like some ad read and get 50k for it ^^
i am not really deep into this stuff, but it feels like big creators have a patreon too but myabe i am wrong
I can understand that. As far as I usually hear from the bigger creators in their videos, at least on YouTube, they are still subject to “ad friendliness” guidelines in their work to enable them to get ad reads and for ad placements.
To me, that still means their work is being perverted and held hostage by marketers so they’d definitely benefit from direct funding from their fans, at least in terms of freedom of expression and authenticity in their work.
If we’re talking about escaping the “enshittification” of the internet, we’re talking at least in part about escaping advertising and tracking.
With that in mind, there wouldn’t be $50,000USD ad read payouts; direct fan-to-creator patronage is (right now) and would be the best way to support creators you respect and appreciate.
I wonder (hope?) if it’s an otherwise inoffensive concept that was included because it’s one of many straws on the camel’s back.
Yea, not gonna lie, that one bummed me out a bit.
Probably a fair comment