• Dr. Jenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube
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    1 year ago

    Tankie usually refers to Marxism-Leninism (as well the ideologies that derived from it such as Maoism). But there are communist ideologies that don’t derive from ML such as Orthodox Marxism, trotskyism, libertarian Marxism, bulshevism, etc.

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      Tankie usually refers to Marxism-Leninism

      no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.

      Orthodox Marxism, trotskyism, libertarian Marxism, bulshevism, etc.

      Oh cool, which societies use those?

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        no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.

        Why are you letting libs define everything? You and I both know they’re dumbasses and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

        Oh cool, which societies use those?

        Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.

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          Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.

          the difference is you named a bunch of dead ideologies that will never be revived, ML is literally the only form of marxism still flourishing

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              how is that speculation, its material; Im only interested in ideologies with proven merit.

              Im willing to take a chance of a synthesis on a new idea, but it has to actually offer people something.

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                It’s speculation because you don’t know what the future holds. And just because you’re not interested in a particular ideology or don’t think it has merit doesn’t make it any less communist.

                My only point is that words do in fact have meaning, Marxist-Leninism is not synonymous with communism. Therefore, one can be anti-tankie without being anti-communist.

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                  You can be, but that would be called ‘idealism’ and no one outside of western liberal spheres will take you seriously.

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                  “Orthodox Marxists” can hardly be said to exist, because the classical formulation of Marxism has long been empirically refuted, hence the need for new schools. Even Luxembourgists are more respectable than “Orthodox Marxists”.