With QBs that have retired in the last 5 years, there are some interesting HOF debates that I see coming up. Right now the sure-fire HOF guys are Brady, Brees, and Rodgers when he retires. The next tier, however, is a lot more interesting. You have Matt Ryan, Big Ben, and Rivers who are all very close. What’s interesting is that according to Pro Football Reference’s HOF Monitor, they all have fairly similar scores even though they have different resumes. Ryan has the MVP/All-Pro 1 season which is pretty much required unless you have 2 Super Bowls. Ben doesn’t have a crazy MVP season, but he does have those 2 Super Bowls and 17 good years. Then Rivers has some crazy counting stats. I think that Ryan and Roethlisberger have a slight edge over Rivers but it is very hard to separate the 3. So my question is do we think any of them make it? If they do it opens up the debate for a lot of players in the future. Also, how do we think the HOF committee weighs Rings/MVPS/All-Pro teams? The media is always so focused on the rings but looking at the resumes of HOF QBs there are a lot more without rings than there are without All-Pro seasons.

Edit: Here is the PFR Monitor. The average HOF QB has a score of 108. Ryan has a score of 106, Ben has a score of 100, and Rivers is at 98.

  • joemax4boxseat@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    “Big Ben” eventual gets in. May not be first ballot but the guy was associated with winning and has 2 rings to his name.

    Rivers has similar numbers but never making a SB appearance will likely be held against him (fair or not).

    I think Ryan is a maybe, but not likely even with his MVP and SB appearance. Like Rivers, he’s in the Hall of Very Good.

    I think Matt Stafford is a more interesting case than Ryan and Rivers. If he can string a few more healthy/winning seasons together I say he’s in. The ring gave a big boost to his resume.

    Russ is another interesting case where had he not gone to Denver, he likely gets in. Denver has done nothing but hurt his legacy and even with his ring and second SB appearance, it’ll be interesting to see how voters treat his career.

  • fl1ntfl0ssy@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I genuinely believe that in order to make it into the HoF, the NFL story couldn’t be told without you. I think the 2004 QB class (Eli, Ben, Phil) all should make it because they have each been elite and one of the greatest QB classes of all time. They should all make it, fuck it

  • -Hells-Bells-Trudy-@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Ben gets in, Rivers and Ryan don’t.

    Though I don’t think he really deserves it, Eli gets in and I understand why it’s going to happen.

  • ChicagosOwn1988@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Can you tell the story of the NFL without bringing up X player?

    You can’t without talking about Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, etc

    You can without talking about Rivers, Ryan, etc

    That’s the line.

  • TRES_fresh@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Ben makes it eventually, Eli is similar to Ben and probably makes it because of the storylines, Ryan doesn’t get in (but he would for sure if they won the super bowl, just unlucky for him), rivers doesn’t get in either.

  • Puzzleheaded-Hawk464@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I may seemed biased, but if Rivers is in the conversation based on stats alone, then we have to include Romo in the conversation.

    IMO, neither did enough to get in. Ben for sure, Matt is a toss up. But I’d lean towards no.

  • OldBrokeGrouch@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I think Rivers is the cutoff. I think he’s as good as you can be without making the HoF. Or at least he should be.

  • WiseGuyNewTie@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    The HOF doesn’t mean shit anymore. Literally everyone gets in, even if they were just mediocre.

  • FundioRider@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Big Ben gets in. Ryan and Rivers don’t. Neither won a Superbowl. Plus they combined for ZERO rape accusations.

  • EnjoyMoreBeef@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Regarding Ben Roethlisberger, name me one eligible NFL QB who has started in three Super Bowls but is not in the Hall of Fame.

    Also, I think it’s fair to say that playing QB in the AFC North is more difficult than playing QB in the AFC West or NFC South. There’s no climate-controlled indoor stadium or sunny southern California in the AFC North. Instead, some QBs get their brains bashed in by the Ravens and Bengals defenses, often in poor weather conditions. It’s hard for a QB to keep his numbers pretty in a situation like that.

    Overall, this is how I see the pre-2016 era of NFL QBs, listed chronologically by entry into the league:

    In on the first ballot

    • Peyton Manning
    • Tom Brady
    • Drew Brees
    • Aaron Rodgers

    In, but not on the first ballot

    • Kurt Warner
    • Eli Manning
    • Ben Roethlisberger

    Probably in

    • Russell Wilson

    Borderline

    • Donovan McNabb
    • Philip Rivers
    • Matt Ryan

    Hall of Very Good

    • Carson Palmer
    • Tony Romo
    • Alex Smith
    • Matthew Stafford
    • Cam Newton

    As for the QBs who have entered the NFL since 2016, Patrick Mahomes is the only one with a clear path to the Hall of Fame. The rest of them still have a lot to prove, but also a lot of time to prove it.