The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled the referee and the VAR were correct to award Newcastle United's winning goal against Arsenal.
Sorry, but any panel that has 2 members who think Bruno’s forearm shouldn’t have received a Red totally invalidates itself. The rules clearly state any violent action which it obviously is. Because it wasn’t his elbow is idiotic.
Also, apparently because Gabi was intending to play the ball, made an action towards the ball, he didn’t get pushed. (Laughing). The exact same situation came up in midfield during the Dortmund/Newcastle fixture and it was a foul. In almost every scenario a foul takes place you have two ppl making actions towards the ball. Sorry but when a player jumps and creates room for himself by extending his two arms out against the opposing players head it’s a foul.
Someone didn’t read the article. The same panel said Bruno and Havertz should have been sent off but the goal was fine to be allowed - it’s literally in the first paragraph of the article.
This is the main problem with discourse surrounding referees - those who shout loudest usually haven’t taken in all of the facts before expressing their opinion.
They didn’t just disagree with the majority they disagreed with the rule book.
Violent Conduct
/…/ In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with their hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
That combined with the “he’s already made an action towards the ball” which is nowhere to be found in the rule book, not based on any precedent, and complete nonsense. Shows that this panel is judging on vibes only and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Wow, quite the assumption. Especially considering I couldn’t have known the reasons why they came to their determinations without reading the article; but if it suits your argument. Lol, hey, critical thinking might not be your strong suit which I totally get.
A panel like this is selected by a person or a couple ppl and often they will discuss, argue, their positions. Whoever put this group together obviously had an agenda if they came to the determination unanimously that the push by Joelinton wasn’t a foul based on that weak ass excuse. Also, a panel with 2 members whom thought that Bruno’s attack on Jorginho wasn’t a Red has some internal issues. I guarantee I could form a panel of ex-coaches and players who would come to the opposite conclusion about the goal and even whether Havertz deserved a Red.
The refs involved on the day were incompetent and this panel is just arse covering for them. Nothing to pay any credence to tbh and just as big a load of shite as onfield officiating atm
It’s worth noting what constitutes a foul in the PL is different from the UCL.
I do however agree with them on the ‘push’. While yes, Joelinton has 2 hands on his back, Gabriel is already going down, because he is attempting to clear a low ball with his head. So from looking at it, it is not immediately apparent whether his fall is natural due to the action he was making, or due to a potential push, therefore VAR shouldn’t intervene
I don’t think they’re saying it wasn’t a red for that forearm knock - I think the question was whether VAR should intervene or not. So if they think the ref saw it and it wasn’t clear and obvious, they would say VAR shouldn’t get involved and the on field decision should stand.
Slight decision that makes it more debatable although probably still wrong from those 2 on the panel. Seemed like a clear and obvious mistake from the ref to me.
Sorry, but any panel that has 2 members who think Bruno’s forearm shouldn’t have received a Red totally invalidates itself. The rules clearly state any violent action which it obviously is. Because it wasn’t his elbow is idiotic.
Also, apparently because Gabi was intending to play the ball, made an action towards the ball, he didn’t get pushed. (Laughing). The exact same situation came up in midfield during the Dortmund/Newcastle fixture and it was a foul. In almost every scenario a foul takes place you have two ppl making actions towards the ball. Sorry but when a player jumps and creates room for himself by extending his two arms out against the opposing players head it’s a foul.
A foul only occurs if you do not know where the ball was situationally or if you are not close to the ball.
What?
Someone didn’t read the article. The same panel said Bruno and Havertz should have been sent off but the goal was fine to be allowed - it’s literally in the first paragraph of the article.
This is the main problem with discourse surrounding referees - those who shout loudest usually haven’t taken in all of the facts before expressing their opinion.
They didn’t just disagree with the majority they disagreed with the rule book.
That combined with the “he’s already made an action towards the ball” which is nowhere to be found in the rule book, not based on any precedent, and complete nonsense. Shows that this panel is judging on vibes only and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Wow, quite the assumption. Especially considering I couldn’t have known the reasons why they came to their determinations without reading the article; but if it suits your argument. Lol, hey, critical thinking might not be your strong suit which I totally get.
A panel like this is selected by a person or a couple ppl and often they will discuss, argue, their positions. Whoever put this group together obviously had an agenda if they came to the determination unanimously that the push by Joelinton wasn’t a foul based on that weak ass excuse. Also, a panel with 2 members whom thought that Bruno’s attack on Jorginho wasn’t a Red has some internal issues. I guarantee I could form a panel of ex-coaches and players who would come to the opposite conclusion about the goal and even whether Havertz deserved a Red.
Independent my arse.
“The panel has five members, made up of three former players and/or coaches, plus one representative each from the Premier League and PGMOL”
That’s not what they said. Congratulations, you are ignorant.
All 5 were of the opinion that it should have been a red. 2 weren’t convinced that VAR needed to overrule, which is fair and logically sound.
The refs involved on the day were incompetent and this panel is just arse covering for them. Nothing to pay any credence to tbh and just as big a load of shite as onfield officiating atm
Idiot
Child.
It’s worth noting what constitutes a foul in the PL is different from the UCL.
I do however agree with them on the ‘push’. While yes, Joelinton has 2 hands on his back, Gabriel is already going down, because he is attempting to clear a low ball with his head. So from looking at it, it is not immediately apparent whether his fall is natural due to the action he was making, or due to a potential push, therefore VAR shouldn’t intervene
I don’t think they’re saying it wasn’t a red for that forearm knock - I think the question was whether VAR should intervene or not. So if they think the ref saw it and it wasn’t clear and obvious, they would say VAR shouldn’t get involved and the on field decision should stand.
Slight decision that makes it more debatable although probably still wrong from those 2 on the panel. Seemed like a clear and obvious mistake from the ref to me.