Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.
“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.
Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!
Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.
Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!
Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.
Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs
Brady: 9th
Rivers: 15th
Peyton: 18th
Rodgers: 18th
Brees: 20th
Mahomes: 20th
And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.
Okay, it’s a bit crazy to see people in this thread go from Bill is the goat and Brady was lucky as well.
Both were the best at leading their team to the Super Bowl. Bill helped build a culture and defenses that could perform when it mattered and Brady helped the offense and performed in clutch moments as well.
People saying Brady was just a game manager, forget that after his first season he was top6 for yards and first in TDs his second year starting. He was close to top 6, definitely top 10 the next two years after that before he finally exploded as he was given more control of the offense.
As for Bill, he destroyed dreams with the giants defence and the patriot’s defence those early years. Then he had a renaissance in the later years as his defence found its groove against the rams (one of the most dominating performances I’ve seen from a Super Bowl defence).
They are both probably the goats for coach and player for now.