Good job intel. Thx for software locking my 3 months old 13th gen CPU.
After this, I don’t think i will buy a team Blue solution ever again.
At least with Nvidia FG lock exclusively to 4000 series, there is a hardware reason so it’s swallowable.
Software locking is not.So you are buying amd cpus that don’t have apo either. Great idea…
Who needs E cores when you can pull the same benchmarks as Intel at 2/3s the power?
What benchmarks are those? I can test it, let’s go and see same performance at 2/3 the power.
I mean the 7800x3D trades blows with the 13900k, while using 2/3rds the power or even less in some instances.
with those instances only being gaming. most people who buy intel CPUs don’t only game.
also, they asked for benchmarks. you’re welcome to provide power consumption benchmarks. i know, for example, the 7900x is even with the 13700k in blender, but that’s just one workload. it seems hard to find power consumption comparisons for non high end workloads, so i’d love to see more
Never say never.
While it’s a dumb move from Intel (they have serious competitor) now it’s time for customers and reviewers to be vocal, AMD tried shenanigans with AM4, but we won, now it’s time for Intel.
Sorry for being ignorant but what are the AM4 shenanigans you are talking about?
Frame gen could be used with older gpus just a question if nshitia wants it, looking at you far 3 hoping you finally release
Nope.
Nvidia and AMD’s frame gen work completely differently, AMD for the most part uses software, Nvidia’s is mainly all hardware based.
The optical flow accelerator inside Ada is roughly 4-5 times faster than the OFA in Ampere, Using the OFA in Ampere to do FG wouldn’t give any performance uplift, It would infact result in a performance penalty. An Nvidia engineer spoke about this when frame gen was first shown and said eventually they may be able to make it work on 3000 series but the uplift would be absolutely minuscule to non existent… but as per usual with lunatics on the internet he was called names, Threatened with violence, Murder etc etc… which is why we generally don’t have experts interacting with the public anywhere near as much as we would like.
You will get it. Just wait few months. Dont fall into these dumb youtubers trap.
I have a genuine question. Would people feel better if they just dropped APO support entirely for all CPUs and just said screw it ?
So what would that leave us with, no APO at all? People wouldn’t be happy or unhappy because it doesn’t exist.
The point is it can be easily implemented into the previous generations and doesn’t need to be a USP for 14th gen. Is it even a USP for 14th gen? Cause with 2 game support, that too not even the leading MP games, it doesn’t mean much right now.
No. Why would I take away someone else’s performance because Intel is being anti-consumer?
Really sad if they don’t support this on “older” chips
I lucked into the i9-12900k bundle from NewEgg and have used Intel for the last 15-ish years but I’m seriously thinking of sending it back and switching to AMD.
Look, I get if the prior architectures are incompatible or, given that APO is specific to certain motherboards, maybe there’s a hardware design issue there that can’t be fixed with a firmware update.
But they didn’t bother to say either of those things. They just said, “We’re not doing it” and provided no details.
Actually absurd and anti-consumer.
You need multiple clusters of E cores for it to even do anything. Basically APO uses one e-core per bank of 4 to maximize L2 cache for a game thread (l2 is shared by 4 e core clusters). So the only 12th gen cpu that will get meaningful performance is the 12900k. That means it only makes sense on processors with 8 or more e cores.
That’s not cool
Sounds rather on brand TBH.
if they cant make this “feature” automated but must have actual techs sit and optimize each game manually it will die trust me, its kinda crazy how bad the “thread scheduler” must be tbh, they should focus on getting that thing to work instead of doing this
What a coincidence, i have no plans to support Intel again.
This is such a stupid decision, and then even for such an inconsequential feature that so far only works for two games. And I doubt there is any significant group that would upgrade from 12th/13th Gen even if it would be more widespread. All this does is create a lasting bad impression of people that recently bought a new Intel CPU. The person in charge needs firing.
How does APO even work? I just see tons of articles which state that 12th and 13th gen does not support it but I don’t read anything about how APO actually increases fps in games.
Despicable. Just bought 13th gen. APO won’t convince me to buy 14th gen. I’ll remember this. The choice between AMD and Intel was already close, now you’ve tipped the scale in their favour.
I don’t understand, I get people want their views and up votes but this is a link to a video, where they have said they got that feedback from intel which could of been a random marketing person/bot response.
I don’t see this as intel confirmation until they do a press release from the actual company
Yea I’m taking it with a grain of salt. “No plans to support…” is some of the safest corporate jargon you can send out. It sets up zero commitment or expectations. Intel could then comment in a couple of weeks that they have rolled it out to 12th & 13th gen chips as they “Shifted resources and priorities to ensure APO worked properly on previous generation chips”
I think my favorite part of these threads is people virtue signaling they will never buy an Intel product again because of this. Talk about dramatic.
Hey thanks Intel, I went with Intel even though it’s slower and consumes more power because I trusted Intel more than AMD. Guess I will never buy a new Intel CPU :)
Is it a bit shady? Yes. Do we really missing out? No. I would never touch it anyway. I absolutely hate this “toggle there, scratch here before you run a game” on AMD. Keep it.
Wtf Intel?