I’m honestly not even mad at that. What broke my immersion was how everyone was just flat out stunned that they would try it a third time, and with no defensive countermeasures whatsoever. They were caught off guard a third time
And that third time they figured out how to bend space lasers to hit every planet at once and auto win
They did have countermeasures for a Death Star that had to move within range of a planet. Star Killer base could strike from across the galaxy, which they weren’t prepared for. In fact their preparations for a Death Star attack resulted in most of the Republic fleet being destroyed… presumably because they gathered near the most likely target of a Death Star attack.
The Death Star was the equivalent to a bomber carrying nukes, while Star Killer base was an ICBM. They had the defenses prepared to take down a bomber and got hit with an ICBM.
Star Killer base could strike from across the galaxy
Star Wars has always played fast and loose with concepts like the laws of physics because they want space magic and the speed of light is for nerds but this is a particularly egregious one.
Watch the movie. The Republic fleet is discussed. I recall C3PO saying the Republic fleet was destroyed.
Maybe in Legends or some bullshit Disney+ TV shows they do what you’re talking about but in the actual movie, the Republic fleet is a thing that exists. A little unfair to criticize a movie for things that happen in other works.
But that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? Starting with the premise that a movie is bad and just making up things to prove the movie is bad while completely ignoring the movie itself.
Nope not in Legends, Mon Mothma wasn’t stupid in there.
C3PO didn’t lie, the new republic is so useless they had the whole government in a single planet (the one that blew up), with a very small fleet (explained in later content to be reduced to a mere 10%) the reasons of course are explained in later content (afraid of repeating the mistakes of the past it better to barely have an army.
People like you fail to see that the criticism is wide, it’s not just criticizing TFA, nor just the movies it’s the whole Disney Star Wars universe so many things that doesn’t make sense even in universe context.
This is not an issue with women, not even with the directors like JJ Abrams; it’s an issue with useless climbers and boot lockers known as the star wars story group, they are the ones that should tell the directors that doesn’t make sense (like the dagger they use with the ruins of a death star)
the new republic is so useless they had the whole government in a single planet
There are a few exceptions, but pretty much every government in the world have their capital in one city. While there are no Death Stars, we certainly have weapons that can obliterate a city. Are you saying every country in the world is stupid to do this? Whether you think this or not, it doesn’t seem at all strange to me the Republic would do this. Seems more like a 20/20 hindsight kind of thing, after the planet was blown up it seems like that was a bad idea but it seems reasonable they would’ve done this. Also from a visual standpoint, it looks to me like they blew up multiple systems at the same time, so they may have government buildings in multiple systems.
If I were preparing for a Death Star attack, I’ve build some capital ships with some kind of cannons on it that could punch a hole in it’s armor so fighters could be sent into it and blow up the core RotJ style. If I had intel that there would be a possible Death Star attack on the capital I’d move these these capital ships around the system to cover all possible approach vectors so we could take it out before it could get into range of the planet.
Seems like a reasonable plan to counter a Death Star attack. Problem is that it’s kinda like planning to take out a bomber carrying a small nuke when your enemy has an ICBM carrying an H-Bomb. So a sensible plan for a Death Star attack results in the Republic fleet getting destroyed by a Star Killer base attack.
I don’t much care what other materials say about these things because to me the movies > everything else in terms of canon. TFA is internally consistent, judging a movie because of something someone else did later seems unfair to me.
tell the directors that doesn’t make sense (like the dagger they use with the ruins of a death star)
The dagger plotline is the exact same as the amulet from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Obviously RoS was rushed (they all were, which was one of the biggest problems, but RoS especially so) and they copied Raiders for the plot of the first half of the movie. So everything you dislike about the dagger can also be applied to the amulet from Raiders.
In Raiders someone back in ancient times made an amulet that had to be used on a specific time of day (and specific day of the year if we care at all about how the tilt of the Earth works) from a specific spot in a map room they constructed because… why did they do that? You have to translate the amulet to find out how long of a staff to use, but there’s a trick because words on the other side of the amulet that reveals that the instructions on the other side aren’t completely accurate. So somehow this amulet made in ancient times will blast a laser to a the location in this map room specifically made for this purpose to reveal the Ark’s location. Why they hell would people in ancient times ever do all of this? It’s almost as if they constructed this elaborate set up simply so someone in the future could have a fun adventure. And those ancient people made it a little tricky with some words on the other side of the amulet, just in case a bad guy had a copy of the inscription from just one side of the amulet burned into his hand. Like those ancient people reaaallly thought of everything about the adventure someone would some day have. Really considerate!
Does that make Raiders of the Lost Ark a bad movie? Of course not. It’s meant to be a fun action adventure and you’re not supposed to nitpick every little detail to find a way to prove it’s a bad movie.
The problems with the dagger in RoS are the exact same problems. How did people in the past knew that person would be standing in that exact spot? Why did people in the past do all of this? It all seems a little too convenient that all of these things line up, etc. At least in Star Wars some people can see the future. In Raiders? I dunno is seeing the future a power the Ark had? I thought it just melted the faces of Nazis, but whatever I guess.
The convoluted nature of both the amulet from Raiders and the the dagger from RoS are just minor details in an action adventure movie you’re not supposed to think about too much In the end, the Ark didn’t matter (the real treasure was the friends we made along the way!) and the crystal Rey was trying to find didn’t matter either because Luke had another one. The only difference between the two is how you’re approaching these respective movies. With Raiders you’re going into it to enjoy the ride and have some fun. So you don’t really notice how convoluted everything about the amulet was. But with RoS are you going into the movie trying to find something wrong with the movie? Well, congratulations, the movie gave you what you wanted.
But if you approach RoS the same way you approach Raiders (just enjoy the ride) it actually does work as a fun action adventure movie. It gives everyone what they want. Nitpickers get what they want and fans of action adventure movies get what they want too. Obviously it’s nowhere near the level of Raiders of the Lost Ark (very few movies are) but it’s a decent action adventure movie, which a lot of people making Star Wars don’t seem to know how to do at all.
Where did you see that they had countermeasures for even a death star? I’m looking it up and everything about the plot conveniently has everyone grouping up for a conventional attack, only for a gigantic super death star #3 (planetary variant) to just destroy everything.
Yes, and i saw the movie in theaters, but do not recall anything about these countermeasures. However, this was a long time ago, so i tried looking it up and it isn’t anywhere.
I’m not going to watch the entire film just to try and assess your point for myself. I’m simply asking you to verify the thing that you’re claiming.
I’ll add it in this way to make it more clear for you: i also watched the movie, and those things didn’t happen and were not mentioned.
The other problem is that there were 2 death stars in the original trilogy and another one in the sequels. Like, think of something new, will you?
I’m honestly not even mad at that. What broke my immersion was how everyone was just flat out stunned that they would try it a third time, and with no defensive countermeasures whatsoever. They were caught off guard a third time
And that third time they figured out how to bend space lasers to hit every planet at once and auto win
Come on
They basically turned a planet into a death star and no one noticed or worse, they did and allowed it to happen.
They did have countermeasures for a Death Star that had to move within range of a planet. Star Killer base could strike from across the galaxy, which they weren’t prepared for. In fact their preparations for a Death Star attack resulted in most of the Republic fleet being destroyed… presumably because they gathered near the most likely target of a Death Star attack.
The Death Star was the equivalent to a bomber carrying nukes, while Star Killer base was an ICBM. They had the defenses prepared to take down a bomber and got hit with an ICBM.
Star Wars has always played fast and loose with concepts like the laws of physics because they want space magic and the speed of light is for nerds but this is a particularly egregious one.
Funny thing, there wasn’t a Republic fleet, it was dismantled by Mon Mothma leaving the defense of the Republic to each of the planets.
Watch the movie. The Republic fleet is discussed. I recall C3PO saying the Republic fleet was destroyed.
Maybe in Legends or some bullshit Disney+ TV shows they do what you’re talking about but in the actual movie, the Republic fleet is a thing that exists. A little unfair to criticize a movie for things that happen in other works.
But that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? Starting with the premise that a movie is bad and just making up things to prove the movie is bad while completely ignoring the movie itself.
Nope not in Legends, Mon Mothma wasn’t stupid in there.
C3PO didn’t lie, the new republic is so useless they had the whole government in a single planet (the one that blew up), with a very small fleet (explained in later content to be reduced to a mere 10%) the reasons of course are explained in later content (afraid of repeating the mistakes of the past it better to barely have an army.
People like you fail to see that the criticism is wide, it’s not just criticizing TFA, nor just the movies it’s the whole Disney Star Wars universe so many things that doesn’t make sense even in universe context.
This is not an issue with women, not even with the directors like JJ Abrams; it’s an issue with useless climbers and boot lockers known as the star wars story group, they are the ones that should tell the directors that doesn’t make sense (like the dagger they use with the ruins of a death star)
There are a few exceptions, but pretty much every government in the world have their capital in one city. While there are no Death Stars, we certainly have weapons that can obliterate a city. Are you saying every country in the world is stupid to do this? Whether you think this or not, it doesn’t seem at all strange to me the Republic would do this. Seems more like a 20/20 hindsight kind of thing, after the planet was blown up it seems like that was a bad idea but it seems reasonable they would’ve done this. Also from a visual standpoint, it looks to me like they blew up multiple systems at the same time, so they may have government buildings in multiple systems.
If I were preparing for a Death Star attack, I’ve build some capital ships with some kind of cannons on it that could punch a hole in it’s armor so fighters could be sent into it and blow up the core RotJ style. If I had intel that there would be a possible Death Star attack on the capital I’d move these these capital ships around the system to cover all possible approach vectors so we could take it out before it could get into range of the planet.
Seems like a reasonable plan to counter a Death Star attack. Problem is that it’s kinda like planning to take out a bomber carrying a small nuke when your enemy has an ICBM carrying an H-Bomb. So a sensible plan for a Death Star attack results in the Republic fleet getting destroyed by a Star Killer base attack.
I don’t much care what other materials say about these things because to me the movies > everything else in terms of canon. TFA is internally consistent, judging a movie because of something someone else did later seems unfair to me.
The dagger plotline is the exact same as the amulet from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Obviously RoS was rushed (they all were, which was one of the biggest problems, but RoS especially so) and they copied Raiders for the plot of the first half of the movie. So everything you dislike about the dagger can also be applied to the amulet from Raiders.
In Raiders someone back in ancient times made an amulet that had to be used on a specific time of day (and specific day of the year if we care at all about how the tilt of the Earth works) from a specific spot in a map room they constructed because… why did they do that? You have to translate the amulet to find out how long of a staff to use, but there’s a trick because words on the other side of the amulet that reveals that the instructions on the other side aren’t completely accurate. So somehow this amulet made in ancient times will blast a laser to a the location in this map room specifically made for this purpose to reveal the Ark’s location. Why they hell would people in ancient times ever do all of this? It’s almost as if they constructed this elaborate set up simply so someone in the future could have a fun adventure. And those ancient people made it a little tricky with some words on the other side of the amulet, just in case a bad guy had a copy of the inscription from just one side of the amulet burned into his hand. Like those ancient people reaaallly thought of everything about the adventure someone would some day have. Really considerate!
Does that make Raiders of the Lost Ark a bad movie? Of course not. It’s meant to be a fun action adventure and you’re not supposed to nitpick every little detail to find a way to prove it’s a bad movie.
The problems with the dagger in RoS are the exact same problems. How did people in the past knew that person would be standing in that exact spot? Why did people in the past do all of this? It all seems a little too convenient that all of these things line up, etc. At least in Star Wars some people can see the future. In Raiders? I dunno is seeing the future a power the Ark had? I thought it just melted the faces of Nazis, but whatever I guess.
The convoluted nature of both the amulet from Raiders and the the dagger from RoS are just minor details in an action adventure movie you’re not supposed to think about too much In the end, the Ark didn’t matter (the real treasure was the friends we made along the way!) and the crystal Rey was trying to find didn’t matter either because Luke had another one. The only difference between the two is how you’re approaching these respective movies. With Raiders you’re going into it to enjoy the ride and have some fun. So you don’t really notice how convoluted everything about the amulet was. But with RoS are you going into the movie trying to find something wrong with the movie? Well, congratulations, the movie gave you what you wanted.
But if you approach RoS the same way you approach Raiders (just enjoy the ride) it actually does work as a fun action adventure movie. It gives everyone what they want. Nitpickers get what they want and fans of action adventure movies get what they want too. Obviously it’s nowhere near the level of Raiders of the Lost Ark (very few movies are) but it’s a decent action adventure movie, which a lot of people making Star Wars don’t seem to know how to do at all.
Where did you see that they had countermeasures for even a death star? I’m looking it up and everything about the plot conveniently has everyone grouping up for a conventional attack, only for a gigantic super death star #3 (planetary variant) to just destroy everything.
Because I didn’t “look it up”.
I just watched the fucking movie.
Yes, and i saw the movie in theaters, but do not recall anything about these countermeasures. However, this was a long time ago, so i tried looking it up and it isn’t anywhere.
I’m not going to watch the entire film just to try and assess your point for myself. I’m simply asking you to verify the thing that you’re claiming.
I’ll add it in this way to make it more clear for you: i also watched the movie, and those things didn’t happen and were not mentioned.
Sir, another death star has hit the big screens.
Death dildo!
Along with two death stars, of course.