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Wouldn’t that mean parachute and promotion payments should be considered?
In Burnley’s case, wouldn’t that be more than they would have earned staying up?
Why did nobody sue West Ham for using ineligible players (Tevez and Macherano) when they narrowly escaped relegation on last day.
They did get sued. They settled out of court.
Disgraceful, I remember when Derby were in their financial catastrophe and Middlesbrough (Wycombe did too) decided they wanted to sue them because Derby made the play offs instead of them when they were accused of breaking rules. The takeover couldn’t progress until the lawsuit was resolved and he was asking for something ridiculous like £40m. He basically tried to liquidate the club out of petty revenge.
There should be rules preventing this nonsense from going on.
Wycombe and Middlesbrough tried this with Derby. It needs to be stamped out.
The punishment is the points deduction. Clubs should not be suing each other because it becomes incredibly messy and up to so much speculation.
For example Middlesbroughs claim that Derby cost them a play off play and therefore premier league money is so hard to prove because who knows if they would have won
Wycombe had a fair point as Derby were served with a points deduction the following season, as opposed to deducted points applying to the season in which cheating occurred.
This highlights that EFL acknowledged cheating took place but chose not to retrospectively punish Derby. Instead, they essentially relegated them the following year.
FFP is averaged over 3 seasons. Derby had amortised their transfer payments differently weighting them more towards the end of the players contract. If anything their cheating took place years before
This is stupid. If anything, Everton were a more successful club before breaching FFP rules. Spending money in violation of the rules did not cause them to avoid relegation, arguably poor spending got them into the relegation fight to begin with.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I honestly I feel like everton have been so hard done by due to a corrupt league that lets city and Chelsea get away with breaking fair play hundreds of times with no consequence. I want Everton to go down cos there shite not due to some bigoted point deduction. Time for a super League
Daily Fail
Exactly, they write any story if it gets people to buy their toilet paper of a paper
Brooo, it was 20m over three years and the prem then signed had to sign of on our signings from the on. Its fucking disproportionate beyond comparison
And still nothing on city
Wish they would unite like that in taking a stand against FA and corrupt refferes
That’s ridiculous. The losses are taken over a 3 year period for a start
Everton were caught lying on financial documents about how the new stadium is funded as they knew they were overspending and had previous warnings about their finances before that. They were in the wrong and admitted fault. Everton can argue that if they are punished other teams in the league should be as well. They can’t argue they did nothing wrong or were simply naive
Interestingly enough, there is a precedent for this.
After Sheffield United were relegated below West Ham in the 06/07 season, they sued The Hammers since West Ham’s “signing” of Javier Mascherano and more importantly Carlos Tevez was in clear breach of third party ownership rules in the Premier League. West Ham finished 3 points above Sheffield United with an inferior goal difference. Tevez literally scored the winning goal in a 1-0 victory on the final day of the season to keep West Ham up.
Sheffield United originally sued to try and have West Ham relegated instead of them, but failed. So instead they sued West Ham for monies lost by no longer being in the Premier League, and West Ham settled out of court for £20m. One can only surmise that the reason they settled out of court was because they expected they would probably lose if it went to court.
Thus, Burnley, Leeds and Leicester have a reason to think they might be able to financially benefit from suing Everton. However, realistically only 1 club could have avoided relegation had Everton had their points deduction sooner, and Burnley were relegated a season before Leeds and Leicester. Last season Leicester finished above Leeds, so really only Leicester should be the one suing Everton. As for Burnley, if they want to claim that Everton should have faced their points deduction in the 21/22 season then that’ll be interesting.
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They didn’t sue, they threatened/litigated and settled. That’s slightly different. Chances are that £20M was cost effective for West Ham and avoided further reputations damage. The point here is that no legal precedent has been set.
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Charlton threatened Sheff United, but nothing came of it. I suspect because…
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All the clubs agree to the sanction process and you can’t sue for it. No court is going to decide that it’s unfair based on timing. Also, keep in mind a breach could be unintentional. You’re effectively asking a court to decide the timing of a third party process that all members agreed to is unfair if it’s quick but not slow or vice versa.
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It’s the daily fail. Probably based on some hot air from said clubs looking to see if they can get a settlement. Really, it won’t see an application.
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if it was settled out of court, is there legal precedent? seriously, i dont know how this works.
The problem is they have to argue that Evertons’s league position improved as a result of their breach. Considering how badly the club has been mismanaged it’s a difficult task. For West Ham it can clearly be shown that their signing of Tevez in particular resulted in them staying up.
The more clear-cut thing with the West Ham case is that it was to do with specific players who played in games and influenced outcomes. When Everton have been charged due to things like incorrectly attributing interest payments on a loan to build their stadium, it’s not such a strong case for them having gained a sporting advantage which influenced results to the point that teams were relegated unfairly.
This is correct. Although Tevez scoring on the final day was irrelevant to WHU staying up, as a draw was sufficient for them. But they did settle.
Happened with Middlesbrough and Wycombe suing Derby county also. The terms of the settlement were never revealed there. Middlesbrough suing was especially egregious as they sued because Derby made the play offs instead of them, they weren’t even guaranteed to go up if Derby hadn’t finished above them. They didn’t sue Villa either who also broke the rules but because they were promoted were then out of the EFLs reach.
Steve Gibson decided to take the easy route and sue a club on the brink of liquidation who didn’t have the funds to fight back.
Burnley’s claim would be laughed out of court. The reality is, that most teams spend money they don’t have. It only becomes worrisome when the estimated revenue ends up being far higher then the revenue they actually get.
But its not, because thats a different set of rules. League rules have changed since then, and this is related to P&S Rules, and its clearly defined in the rules that clubs have no ability to sue other clubs for things like this. Only the independent commission can award damages.
If it was upheld, then if City are ever charged, every team that lost out on cups or titles those years would have a case. He’ll every team in the CL who got thrashed by City but who ended up 3rd in group would have claims.
Won’t happen, but that would be awesome…
City will be doing well to get all 115 claims dismissed.
It’s only going to take 1 year of FFP breach to get multiple claims, £70m for missing out of CL. £30m for Europa, position money, possible subsequent year claims.
Matt Hughes has been spouting lies about Everton for Years. Everton should sue him for his libellous claims over the years. The man gets paid to lie.
They all know if they successfully ruin Everton the chances of them getting back up/staying up goes up massively lmao