I spent a long time researching the details for this move and found reddit to be super useful for all the various ins and outs, so I thought I’d share my experience here for future people to stumble upon.

Basic features of my move:

  • My long term girlfriend applied to master programs all over Europe and we settled on the Netherlands, the main reason for the move
  • She has EU and US citizenship, which helped me secure a visa much more easily
  • We had to move our 65lb dog, and all our stuff
  • I wanted to take my job with me to keep things as consistent as possible (I’m a mid level employee at a big company so many administrative hoops to jump through here)
  • We moved from San Francisco to Amsterdam

I think this post will provide a good overview of the logistics of an oversea move, how to navigate some of the Visa stuff, and how to get your dog there

BASIC ADVICE TO START

  • Start researching and reading through the official websites for things 4-6 months before. There’s a lot of info out there to absorb, and generally NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE OFFICIAL RULES ARE
    • Seriously, at each step it seemed like people in authority weren’t sure what documents they were supposed to ask me for, or had a misunderstanding of the requirements. YOU NEED TO KNOW THE RULES SO YOU KNOW WHEN OTHERS ARE OVERLOOKING THEM
    • That may sound overwhelming now, but in general you’ll be in good shape if you start looking over stuff now
  • Save money now, and start trying to sell your stuff on Facebook marketplace/craigslist early to maximize the loss/replacement of stuff
    • The last 2 months can be a whirlwind, and you’ll have to get rid of things at an accelerated pace and won’t have time to bargain with people

MOVING YOUR STUFF

  • In general for all airlines I looked at, it seemed cheapest to check 2-3 bags. My partner and I brought 6 checked bags and that was enough, once you go past 3/person it’s cheaper to use a site like sendmybag which charges a flat rate of $170 and about $170/55lbs checked bag after that (vs $250+ for checked bags past 2-3)
  • That comes out to about $3/lb for stuff. Books are not worth this, furniture of any kind (unless sentimental) is generally not worth this
  • In general though, a lot of stuff is! We thought we’d have too much but I actually wish we brought more, that vegetable peeler? Probably 1lb and $8 to replace- would’ve been worth it to bring!
  • I used bankers boxes I bought at Lowe’s in addition to the actual baggage. I even cut one apart to fit a large canvas painting, you want them to be double lined with cardboard
  • I would highly advice taking at least a couple notes on what goes into each box once you have them packed (this is much later on), they lost one of the boxes for 5 weeks and it was hard to remember what was actually in it when filing a claim
  • ALSO, there’s not gonna be anyone to help you at the airport if you transfer flights. I thought there were luggage porters from what I read online, but ending up having to use two of those luggage carts one with each hand, which was not easy but I made it work
  • Airtags are great, I put one in our dog kennel
  • I was able to store sentimental heavy things at my parents, hoping to take it over slowly when I go back to visit

VISA STUFF FOR THE NETHERLANDS

  • The government website is really great for understanding the requirements, each case is different though
  • For my case, since my partner is an EU citizen we just had to show we had been in a relationship for 6 months for me to get a resident permit/visa (which is good for 5 years)
    • There are different requirements if your partner is a Dutch citizen
    • For some countries like Germany we would’ve had to have gotten married
    • You can’t apply for anything until you show up in the Netherlands- your partner registers and then applies for “Verification Against EU Law” for you (or with your help)
    • You have to apply <3 months after entering, after a couple weeks they’ll call you in to get a temporary passport sticker that extends your stay 6 months from when you applied
    • It wasn’t clear to me at the time, but this is your ‘temporary resident sticker’ that I used for all my work stuff
    • IMPORTANT: Most airlines require you to have a return flight if you don’t have a visa to stay longer than 3 months in the country. I argued on the phone, and the person at the counter (respectfully) that I COULDN’T have a visa yet as you have to apply one you arrive. Here is where you need to know the requirements!! Finally, she called one person who transferred her to another and another and eventually they validated I was allowed to check in/fly without a return flight. I was gonna book a refundable return flight just in case but was able to make my case
  • I haven’t been asked to show any financial records yet
  • Print everything you need before you leave, keep copies on your phone
  • If you can call them, they’re really great on the phone
  • You can setup an appointment to register with the municipality before you enter though, this will get you a BSN which is basically like a social security number

DOG LOGISTICS

  • If your dog is >25lbs I believe they have to go in the cargo hold
  • Most airlines stopped taking flights in the hold after covid, I could only find KLM airlines willing to do it (KLM is partnered with Delta, and I had to be careful not to book a Delta flight through KLM by mistake as Delta doesn’t allow them- confusing I know)
  • And they only do it on certain aircraft! I had to take Alaska Airline to JFK (from SFO) and switch to KLM direct to Amsterdam, even though there are direct flights from SF to Amsterdam
  • I would highly advise going direct from the United States to your destination country, as there are many more headaches doing a layover internationally (some countries have restrictions on foreign dogs, there are requirements on the time of the layover, etc it makes it a lot more complicated)
  • This makes the total cost of flights pretty high since you really don’t have many options at this point
  • You need to start talking with your vet about this! You have to get your dog checked out by them within 10 days of departure, and they need to send an approval form to the USDA to sign. The USDA recently switched to doing approvals online which speeds it up, but try to get an appointment on day 10/9 (flying out on day 0) as they will need to overnight ship you the final approval form
  • You also need a separate form if you have a domestic layover
  • If your dog is not crate trained, get a crate ASAP and start doing it so they feel calm in the crate
  • No one ever suggested I drug him, I think they might only do this if your dog has high anxiety
  • If your dog has high anxiety, it’s recommend you don’t put anything in the crate as they might eat it out of stress (bedding). If you’ve never observed your dog doing something like then you’re probably fine but up to you
  • For bedding, I used the bottom pad of my dog’s bed and used big binder clips to secure it to a piece of cardboard I cut out to fit the bottom of the crate perfectly, so that the bedding couldn’t get bunched up. I taped the airtag to the bottom of the cardboard
  • Read up on crate requirements, I had to get a new one (no metal grated ones)
  • Once it’s time to go to the airport, try and give your dog water but not much food. I found ice was a good way to get my dog to drink extra water. If you want to be extra sure you can get some low sodium vegetable stock cubes to mix in as they love that (great for constipation too)
  • When I got to my dog each time, he seemed stressed and very thirsty. The little plastic dish that came with the crate sucked and didn’t stay on at all. But overall he was okay and sprung right back to life and excitement after a little water. It was scary bringing him but I met some people who have to do this more regularly, and it’s routine for the airport staff
  • You’re not supposed to have your dog out of the crate in the airport, but no one cared so you can just put them in at the counter/take them out after baggage claim
  • You have to register your dog within the Netherlands <10 days, at which point they get an EU pet passport so you don’t have to go through all those extra forms at the vet if you ever need to this again
  • The customs agent asked for my official documents, but everyone else I talked whose done this said no one asked them for anything (sounds like they only check 1/5 times or so)

My Job

  • Fortunately, my company is owned by a parent company with offices literally everywhere, so they already had the payroll structure setup here so it wasn’t much extra work on their part to transfer me here. I did start the process 5 months before moving though
  • I played out the options first though, said we were thinking of relocating within the US or maybeeee Europe. Once they seemed like they were cool with Europe I was more honest about the move
  • Play the hand you have, you only have to let your employer know what they need to know. But if you can’t work in the Netherlands remotely >3 months legally, and your IT systems might not let you log onto a VPN internationally so know these things first if you wanna be secret about it
  • BUT, the cost of living and wages are lower here. You can try and let your employer know they can pay you less if they okay the move
  • 30% ruling- look into this most people in my situation get it. Your employer and you don’t pay taxes on the first 30% of income leading to savings. I’m still applying and hoping this will help offset the lower salary I’m receiving now. Even more savings for your employer!
  • Make sure to get and sign a contract before you come to the Netherlands, as that’s one of the most important requirements for the 30% ruling. If you landed here day 1, and then found a job day 2 then you’re disqualified it has to be taken before you set foot here

OTHER LOGISTIC STUFF

  • Print everything before you leave and keep it in a folder, I’m talking:
    • Photo copies of credit cards, passports, driver’s licenses
    • Lease agreements (previous if you’re doing the EU Verification thing)
    • Employment contracts, pet health forms, pay stubs, W2
    • Birth certificates, Social Security Cards, etc
  • I saved the scanned copies on my computer, and then airdropped (or emailed it) to my phone so I had digital copies offline and physical copies
    • If not for travel now it’s great to have these when you’re registering for things on the other side
  • You can get Wise or Bunq without a BSN, this is super helpful once you start needing to pay for things in Euros (like apartment down payments). I would maybe go for Bunq as it will allow you to get on Tikkie which is like venmo/cashapp here (Bunq is a dutch bank, Wise is Belgian which doesn’t let you get on Tikkie)
  • 99% of everything is tap to pay here so I haven’t needed cash, Apple pay all day
  • Vodafone will let you sign up for a dutch number/data without a BSN, KPN doesn’t
  • HOUSING!!! This could be a whole post, but in general I don’t think you’ll be able to find anything until <3 weeks before you move. At that point APPLY FOR LITERALLY EVERYTHING. Serious, we sent out 150+ applications in 2 weeks and got 1 place that we accepted immediately
    • You can often find a website for your country that you pay ~$1-2 to verify who the owner of the property is so you can validate you’re not getting scammed. I would say if you can’t do a video call walkthrough of the apartment don’t get it
    • We booked an Airbnb that was fully refundable for the first 10 days, fortunately we locked in on housing 1 week before we left and were able to cancel it, getting a hotel room for first 3 nights to make the transition a bit easier
    • I guess it’s normal that people don’t clean before they move out here… it was very gross
    • Tenant responsibilities are different- that listing that said “WASHER IN UNIT!”? Yeah it was broken on arrival but I guess not the landlord’s responsibility as the previous tenant bought it

I have been here 3 months now and love it here. It’s truly a beautiful city, and very easy to navigate as an English speaker (I haven’t met anyone in Amsterdam that couldn’t speak English yet). So far it’s been 100% worth everything

There’s probably a hundred more tiny details I could include, but I wouldn’t stress about them. Just start reading stuff in advance so you’re pretty familiar with it by the time you travel. And remember NO ONE KNOWS THE OFFICIAL RULES! But be nice to people along the way, if you get stressed remember that the workers in the situation see stress everyday so this won’t help you. Just be nice, calm, and helpful and I’m sure you’ll get through it!

Feel free to ask any questions

  • Realistic-Ship-227@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Nice tips! We’ve done the transatlantic move twice and will be doing it a third time to retire early in France.

    I would add:

    - Keep your amount of stuff down to what fits in a 20’ container. When you move, it’s time to throw out anything you’ve not used/worn/… in a year or more. It’s just negative equity, taking up mental/visual space.

    - Be aware of cultural differences. I lean more towards latin cultures and would find living in the Calvinistic Netherlands insufferable, even Amsterdam would probably test my limits. Other people love it and would find living in more southern countries horrible and chaotic.

    - Mind the long term financial consequences. You can live very well in many EU countries on US retirement savings, but the reverse is not true because of the lower wages / COL in Europe. If you plan to ever move back, don’t wait too long or you may find yourself out of time to save enough for a nice retirement.

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    10 months ago

    Thank you for this post. Every time someone posts their experience, I take a little something from it and keep it in my mind when making our plans. Husband and I are coming over via DAFT in a few years, and sometimes I think I’m over-planning. But when I see everything that’s involved in such a move (as laid-out in your post), I know it’s probably prudent to be overprepared.

    I’m glad that using the airlines/checked baggage to move your stuff worked pretty smoothly. Our plan has always been to bring 6-8 suitcases of belongings with us (no furniture, no bulky items), so that we don’t have to use a shipping company. I love that you’ve confirmed my hunch that this is a good way to handle that aspect of the move.

    And now I have to start looking into Airtags. Dankjewel!

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    10 months ago

    Worth mentioning that it’s common for previous tenants to take their flooring and lighting fixtures with them. So some basic electrical knowledge would be useful and a torch, you could be moving into a house with no lights.

    Sometimes you can buy the flooring off the previous tenant at a discount, and be careful of or at least aware of rental agreements that might require you to remove your flooring when you leave if the next tenant doesn’t want it. Germany is sort of the same except it’s also the entire kitchen that may be taken during moves.

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    10 months ago

    Thanks for this! I am moving in April (dependent on job offers) from Aus with my dog and found this really useful!

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    10 months ago

    30% ruling- look into this most people in my situation get it. Your employer and you don’t pay taxes on the first 30% of income leading to savings. I’m still applying and hoping this will help offset the lower salary I’m receiving now. Even more savings for your employer!

    So about this; this tax benefit is going to disappear in a few years, if I am not mistaken the percentage of income exempt for taxes will in fact already decrease next year.

    I assume we all have our opinions on that matter. But that does not change reality.

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    10 months ago

    Oh do we Nederlanders hate you! Don’t forget that!

    Expat who doesn’t speak Dutch. Pays less taxes. Takes a house away from a Nederlander in Amsterdam!

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    10 months ago

    Pro Tip: Learn the language even if everybody speaks English. You will have a much better experience.

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    10 months ago

    This is a great write up. I recently moved with two dogs and finding a flight that would work was insanely difficult. I ended up flying Air France direct from LAX to Paris, then renting a car and driving the rest of the way (I live in Eindhoven). Air France allows dogs on ALL flights, so none of the specific-airplane-type hassle of KLM.

    Also for anyone planning a move and reading this, tire your dog out in the days leading up to travel. We were bike-running the dogs quite a bit in the 3-4 days before, and the day before the flight we spent the day at the dog beach. One of my dogs was so tired that at the airport he got in the crate before we had it fully put together and went right to sleep. ALSO HAVE NAIL CLIPPERS ON YOU because you have to zip tie the crate shut so nail clippers will let you easily get your dog out at your destination.

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    10 months ago

    Actually, I am unwilling to move anywhere that I can’t drive to until my dog passes. I’m too scared he would die in the cargo hold or that the level of trauma to him would not be worth it

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      10 months ago

      When my husband and I moved to NL he cried when handing out dogs over to security, he had the same fear as you. It does happen unfortunately, but it’s not common. Depends of course on the dog as well (ours were 3 and 4 and healthy), but we had no issues. OP mentioned potentially giving dog a sedative pre flight, in my experience this was actually not allowed as this is what can cause dogs to die in the hold (as they cannot adequately regulate their body temp on sedatives).

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      10 months ago

      I hear you, I was reassured by the fact that they limit travel to certain planes as they all have to be climate controlled. I’ve never heard any stories of pets dying or getting injured in travel, and in the end it felt like just a more extreme version of a long car trip- but yeah you know your dog best and it is a good consideration to avoid flying when possible

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        10 months ago

        Yeah he’s 13. And has been cage free since after we had him for a few months. He would start hyperventilating and freaking out if he even saw me assembling the cage. That does make me feel better though about only certain planes being able to transport dogs.

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      10 months ago

      One of the factors in determining our move timing is the lifespan of our akita. He’s 8, which is getting up there in age for this breed, as they typically only live to 10-12 years. He has absolutely horrible separation anxiety, so i fear how he would handle the flight. And there’s a very good chance that we’ll end up with a house with your typical Dutch tall narrow stairs, which would be difficult with a 100-lb mobility-impaired dog. So we’re going to spend the rest of his life here in the States prepping for the move.

      In the meantime, that’s giving us a ton of time to learn the language and squirrel-away money.

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    10 months ago

    No need to stuff your dog’s appointment into the last 10 days. The vet can do their exam up to 30 days before your arrival, it is the USDA endorsement that needs to be done within 10 days. The USDA office will sit on your paperwork until the appropriate time if you send it early.

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      10 months ago

      Wow you are right! I remember scheduling this with the vet and I guess the rules changed or they didn’t know that detail, editing the post

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    10 months ago

    It’s great that there wasen’t a quarantine for your dog, how much of a factor was having one in finding housing?

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      10 months ago

      Not too bad honestly, I just applied to places anyways and saved mentioning having a dog until the last step- current landlord didn’t care.

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        10 months ago

        Thanks for the info… Did you just rent an Airbnb there before looking? Or did you have the landlords provide a video showing while in the US?

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          10 months ago

          Yes we booked the Airbnb pretty far in advance, but we were able to find a place a week before looking. We did a video walkthrough with the realtor remotely, and I was able to confirm the landlord’s name matched online both which led us confident enough to move forward in renting.

          I’d say make sure you have money and documents ready to go (bank statements or salary stubs to meet the income requirement) so if you get to see a place (and you feel confident it’s not a scam) you can move forward ASAP- I think that’s the only way we were able to land what we got.

          Hope that helps you! I just copied and pasted the same message for every listing (websites like Funda etc) and avoided any paid application sources.

          H

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    10 months ago

    As an American (NYC native) who lived 5 years in the NL, I learned that I didn’t like it there :) just did not match the culture of the NL. Google the phrase “doe maar gewoon, dan doe je al gek genoeg” if you want to know more

    The doe normaal mindset penetrates every facet of Dutch society. I’ve since moved to another EU country and it feels more like home here than it ever did for me in the NL.

    I’ll be curious to see how you fit in and if you like it a few years from now