I’m reading “Pride and prejudice” and I’m strangely enjoying it. I like the characters and the story, I’m really hooked with the book, but I don’t really know why it is so interesting and how Austen makes me feel interested in a book that, maybe just in the surface, is so mundane.

In the past, I also read “Sense and sensibility” for University and I also enjoyed it very much.

How do you think Austen makes this? How does she make a realistic and simple book so interesting in its story and its characters?

  • Small_Poppy_Seed@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    She’s capable of sketching ideal characters that we all know do not exist in life. She also alludes to the gossipy nature of people and domestic cozy living. Many women gravitate towards that. Love and opportune marriage with rich husbands and damsels in distress–it’s the epiphany of female love fantasy, conveniently set in an appealing era. Her ability to illustrate Victorian mannerism is also very endearing to read.

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        10 months ago

        I stand corrected. You’re right. I’m wrong. It’s been a while since I studied literature 🙂 Corrected it.

        lol People are so quick to draw faults here. I feel now every time I comment, I’m walking on eggshells.

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    10 months ago

    Does anyone else find persuasion so much less interesting than the others? Just slogging through it again to see if it’s any better now that I’m older. I can’t even finish it this time There doesn’t seem to be as much depth to the characters.

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    10 months ago

    Idk if this answers your question exactly, but regarding why her stories have remained very popular for women, it’s because she writes about female situations in a way that females can relate to.

    Elizabeth is generally well-liked, but is also criticized for having too much attitude (the biggest critics we see in the story are the Bingley posse and her mom, but she prob faces this elsewhere as well).

    Jane is quiet and polite, generally thought of as the nicest girl in the neighborhood, but Darcy calls her out for sometimes seeming unemotional. (Which I guess shows his type and insecurities. His best friend and love interest are both lively people. He is very introverted but hates that about himself).

    I could go on about every Bennet sister, but the bottom line is that there is no Madonna/Whore dichotomy. Even Lydia, who is the literal whore of the story, is portrayed as a foolish child who doesn’t know what she’s doing. She isn’t 100% a victim, because she’s going for exactly what she wants. BUT she isn’t a seductress that can ruin men either, as her father plainly pointed out to Elizabeth. She’s just naive and stubborn, albeit at the near-cost of her family’s network.

    I would delve into Sense and Sensibility, because I just finished it. But, admittedly, I didn’t like it as much and skimmed a good portion of it. Maybe that’s because I saw the abridged movie version with Alan Rickman first (🥵🥵🥵), but I couldn’t stand the middle portion where Elinor just has conversations nonstop with all the side characters while Marianne cries and sleeps through colds. I suppose the one thing this novel does that the others don’t do as much is actually show a girl turn into a woman. Marriane is barely an adult, so she still has childish beliefs about love and marriage. When she realizes she was wrong about how love works, she marries a man who loves her (yay!) and just learns to love him after marriage while he adores the quasi-reincarnation of his dead teen sweetheart (… yay?). This is different from Emma and Elizabeth, who are both adults that learn how to be better adults.

    As well as writing relatable portrayals of females, her stories revolve around themes that concern females in a timeless sense: marrying for love or money; being “too talkative and rude” or whatever bc you’re not passive and quiet; wanting to be loved by a man who respects you, even if you’re a massive fuckup (like Emma). You know how in high school, you read Shakespeare bc “the things he wrote about are timeless”? Austen is just like that.

    Idk I hope I gave something good in all this 😭

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    10 months ago

    She is good at painting realistic characters - even her basically good characters have their issues. Some of her baddies are a bit cookie cutter though but they tend to be scenery the main characters react to. It is a bit like a very clever, clear-sighted and slightly naughty friend sharing the gossip with you. Cleverly observed and reported with an edge.

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    10 months ago

    Yes I get exactly what you’re saying. I started reading Northanger Abbey, and when I really thought about it, it wasn’t really much of an interesting book but I still wanted to read on, I still wanted to know the story.

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    10 months ago

    She’s such a good writer her books are still wildly beloved a century later. It’s a bigger question why you’re so surprised you like them.

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    10 months ago

    She let her characters play themselves out, instead of constantly trying to explain how evil the evil god is or how good the good guy is

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    10 months ago

    I think she hits just the right note of sarcasm, where it’s still sweet and charming.

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      10 months ago

      First time I tried to read Pride and Prejudice I didn’t get more than 1/4 the way through. All the sarcasm went right over my head.

      Years later, I listened to the Audiobook version narrated by Rosamund Pike and was regularly laughing out loud.

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    10 months ago

    I have zero idea why you would use the adverb strangely here – literally millions of readers have enjoyed the novel and millions more will too; there’s nothing remotely strange about enjoying P&P.

    Martin Amis, long before he was a writer, fell under the spell of the novel; he writes: "When I was introduced to the novel, at the age of 15, I read 20 pages and then besieged my stepmother’s study until she told me what I needed to know. I needed to know that Darcy married Elizabeth. (I needed to know that Bingley married Jane.) I needed this information as badly as I had ever needed anything.
    “Pride and Prejudice suckers you. Amazingly—and, I believe, uniquely—it goes on suckering you. Even now, as I open the book, I feel the same tizzy of unsatisfied expectation, despite five or six rereadings. How can this be, when the genre itself guarantees consummation? The simple answer is that these lovers really are “made for each other”—by their creator. They are constructed for each other: interlocked for wedlock. Their marriage has to be.”

    You are responding to a great plot, great wit, great prose–literally nothing strange about it.

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      10 months ago

      I read “strangely” as for OP, meaning it’s different than most other books they read.

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        10 months ago

        Me too. Also, “strangely” because it’s hard for them to describe what it is about the writing that makes it so fascinating.

        “Strangely” because the synopsis of the book isn’t very catchy - “two people fall in love 200 years ago” as opposed to a genre like science fiction - “two people are trapped in a time bubble where they must harness the power of quantum snail mucous to escape… but which one of them is a clone of the other’s missing pet dog?”

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      10 months ago

      THIS. It’s weirder that OP is so shocked that they like Austen’s work than anything. These books are good enough to be beloved a century later, why does OP think it’s ‘strange’ that they enjoy such classic, loved novels? It low key smacks of an edge of “wow I can’t believe this girly thing is actually good! Who knew! (Besides the millions of people that love the books enough to keep them and their adaptations popular, or the many lit courses that include them for study).”

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        10 months ago

        Nope nope nope. These books are hundreds of years old. Don’t read a thread on Hamlet if you don’t want it spoiled. The Austen canon, particularly P&P is damn near Biblical in its ubiquity in the larger conversation of literature. This is like spoiling one of Aesop’s Fables.

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      10 months ago

      The OP says they are strangely enjoying it, not that it’s strange to enjoy it. Meaning their level of enjoyment is unusual. I would have said “uniquely” or “peculiarly” instead of “strangely” but I get what they mean. Austen is absorbing in a way that only a masterpiece is. This is a common opinion, as you say, millions of readers agree. It’s fine to ask what it is about her books that make them that way.

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    10 months ago

    I’m no Literary critique but her prose is poetic to me. When I read “Pride and Prejudice”, the entire book felt like a single poem. It’s Impossible not to enjoy every word.

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    10 months ago

    Her main characters are always very relatable and realistic, with quirks and issues and strengths and weaknesses. She easily imbues them with natural complexity and depth of character. While they are in some ways nothing special, they are still unique and totally believable, fitting into their setting while being clever enough to not quite fit in - just like so many people feel about themselves.

    A little bit weird, a little bit rebellious, a little bit lost, a little bit faking it, a little bit brave, not afraid to admit when they were wrong 9at least to themselves - and us readers - if no one else) - all these qualities encourage us to feel sympathy and a sense of camaraderie. We cheer them on, we hope for the best, we laugh and cry with them because we feel like we know them - they are very much like us in some deep and human parts of our souls.

    She was a master of character development because she was incredibly observant and gifted with the ability to put what she observed into words we can understand and relate to.

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      10 months ago

      I feel like the conversation below sums up how Jane Austen’s writing is both so dense and so amusing and so enthralling.

      Jane Bennet : My dearest sister, now be serious. I want to talk very seriously. Let me know every thing that I am to know, without delay. Will you tell me how long you have loved him?

      Elizabeth Bennet : It has been coming on so gradually, that I hardly know when it began. But I believe I must date it from my first seeing his beautiful grounds at Pemberley.

      If you dont know Elizabeth Bennett - this makes her sound like a fortune hunter. Which is instantly relatable on the surface.

      If you read the book you know Elizabeth is very much NOT impressed with money, and is almost a snob in how she treats rich people. So here she is ACTUALLY admitting she is wrong. She misjudged Mr Darcy, and in saying she is wrong is actually poking QUITE A BIT of fun and derision at herself. She is exposing this to her favorite sister whose opinion she holds very high - so you also get the understanding and the deepness of connection between Jane and Elizabeth - that Jane feels so comfortable being so vulnerable, honest, and silly to her sislter.

      Additionally, after you have read it many, many times and pick up other things from the book and sources, Elizabeth is also saying “Mr Darcy is a good landlord to his tenants and he takes good care of the people and lands that belong to him and he is responsible for.” This is in counterpoint to her Father. She loves her Father very very much, but through some fault of his own he will not be providing for his daughters. He could do more to secure them good marriages and watch out for their reputations, but he throws his hands up and walks away instead.

      P&P is NOT EVEN my favorite Austen - but some of the lines in Austen are so dense with meaning and the deep interconnectness of these families. It is truly rereadable and reinterpretable every time you read it.

      Tl;dr Jane Austen is a genius of dense thoughtful reading.

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        10 months ago

        This is a great illustration of the levels of meaning in Austen and I appreciate that you explained it so well because I also see people use this quote to say Lizzie loved him for his money. Which is so opposite to Austen’s meaning! I don’t think Elizabeth’s praise of Darcy is a comparison with her father though. We see no indication in the book that Mr Bennet poorly treats his tenants or servants. He does what’s required to get his daughters introduced to Mr Bingley. He doesn’t want his daughters to marry for money, which we know is huge for Austen. He misjudges Lydia but Darcy did the same thing with Georgiana, and both men learn their lesson. Mr Bennet is confident his daughters will do fine on their merits and while frustrating, it turns out he’s right, both Jane and Elizabeth marry excellent men who don’t care about their family’s shortcomings. Mr Bennet is one of the few people who at the end join “their family party at Pemberley.”

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        10 months ago

        Thank you for this explanation. Somehow I didn’t realize Jane Austen’s writing was such “high context”. As a programmer who (sadly) primarily reads dry non-fiction and almost exclusively communicates in a “low context” manner, understanding the hidden depth and nuance of her writing is a delightful surprise.

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    10 months ago

    Charlotte Bronte agreed with you about Austen’s writing being mundane (though well crafted). Here is what Charlotte wrote about Emma:

    “She does her business of delineating the surface of the lives of genteel English people curiously well. There is a Chinese fidelity, a miniature delicacy in the painting. She ruffles her reader by nothing vehement, disturbs him by nothing profound. The passions are perfectly unknown to her; she rejects even a speaking acquaintance with that stormy sisterhood. Even to the feelings she vouchsafes no more than an occasional graceful but distant recognition—too frequent converse with them would ruffle the smooth elegance of her progress. Her business is not half so much with the human heart as with the human eyes, mouth, hands, and feet. What sees keenly, speaks aptly, moves flexibly, it suits her to study; but what throbs fast and full, though hidden, what the blood rushes through, what is the unseen seat of life and the sentient target of death—this Miss Austen ignores. She no more, with her mind’s eye, beholds the heart of her race than each man, with bodily vision, sees the heart in his heaving breast. Jane Austen was a complete and most sensible lady, but a very incomplete and rather insensible (not senseless) woman.”

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      10 months ago

      Charlotte Brontë is an interesting critic. Her introduction to Wuthering Heights is fascinating.

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      10 months ago

      Thanks for sharing this. I love the Brontes’ books but just can’t seem to find my pace with Austen. Charlotte articulates the challenge beautifully (as usual).

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      This is interesting! I take it as more reflective of Brontë – her artistic/aethetic concerns – and the rising tide of romanticism in literature. Put another way: Even if Jane Austen wanted to write a la Brontë, it would not be possible when she was writing P&P at the end of the 18th century (of course it was revised extensively c 1810-11).

      Plus, Brontë is assuming things about Austen (that the was “a very incomplete and rather insensible…woman”) based on what? Only the reading of the novels.