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I still think is unfair to avoid results with FSR/DLSS/FG/XESS when available. I have a 4060 and it was the best use of my budget, specially considering future games. I don’t buy a technology to not use it.
DLSS is why I bought a 4060 over a 7600. Mostly play e-sports games, so the cache offsets the bandwidth loss from a 3060, while DLSS is much better than FSR at going from 720p -> 1440p, as I wanted the increase over 1080p for daily usage.
Nope. You won’t be able to use next version of DLSS on your 4000 series, so it’s always the best the show how fast is GPU in pure raster to see how much actual power it has.
nvidia will come up with some other funky software bs to try to get people to upgrade to a new gen, while artificially preventing it from running well on previous gen cards or competing products. physx, gameworks, dlss, nvfbc, etc.
I have a 4060 and it was the best use of my budget, specially considering future games.
A 6700 XT is still faster overall when AI upscaling is taken into account, and considerably faster when it’s not, and has 4GB more VRAM. If performance in future games was the main consideration, that would’ve been the obvious choice in that price range and not the 4060.
A 6700 XT is still faster overall when AI upscaling is taken into account
But the upscaling on 6700 XT is poor. FSR is so full of shimmering and artifacts that it’s kind of a deal breaker. DLSS actually looks great. Based on my experience with both, id rather use DLSS at performance/balanced than FSR at quality, in which case the 4060 will not only give better visuals but more FPS.
You can actually play in 1440p with 6700xt though. You cannot with 4060. The better memory bandwidth and capacity coupled with better performance cannot be simply solved by upscaling. 4060 is so bandwidth starved that it immediately falls off in any resolution greater than 1080p.
But they are obviously considering it. If they werent there would be no mention of Nvidia cards other than the 4090 because they are always slower at the same price.
Depends on the class if card. I don’t think either of them are good at 1080p output. At 1440 fsr is a clear loss to the point where it’s arguable if it should be enable. 4k is the only area where it’s even reasonable to do a comparison, where dlss is better but fsr is okay.
If only NV wasn’t so stingy with the VRAM. I don’t know how I feel about having DLSS, FG and RT but also blurry textures because the card runs out of VRAM.
It’s not unfair. It’s the only logical way to do the comparison.
It gets too complicated to do a comparison with upscaling technologies when there are so many constantly changing variables and a subjective aspect in regards to comparing different technologies. Which version of upscaling do you use? What if the game gets updated? What if the upscaling technology gets updated? How many frames of DLSS 2.x/3.x are comparable to FSR 2.x/3.x frames? At what quality levels? What if a game adds support for one technology but not another? I mean to even consider using upscaling numbers is ridiculous since each implementation is different and constantly changing. You’re no longer able to objectively compare these products.
I still think is unfair to avoid results with FSR/DLSS/FG/XESS when available. I have a 4060 and it was the best use of my budget, specially considering future games. I don’t buy a technology to not use it.
If you don’t understand why, I don’t know what to tell you…
That is not solely dependent on the hardware… 🤦🏾♂️
DLSS is why I bought a 4060 over a 7600. Mostly play e-sports games, so the cache offsets the bandwidth loss from a 3060, while DLSS is much better than FSR at going from 720p -> 1440p, as I wanted the increase over 1080p for daily usage.
Nope. You won’t be able to use next version of DLSS on your 4000 series, so it’s always the best the show how fast is GPU in pure raster to see how much actual power it has.
nvidia will come up with some other funky software bs to try to get people to upgrade to a new gen, while artificially preventing it from running well on previous gen cards or competing products. physx, gameworks, dlss, nvfbc, etc.
Yup.
Downvotes for the truth… Poor Nvidia fanshills copin xD
These sort of comments are not welcome on /r/hardware
A 6700 XT is still faster overall when AI upscaling is taken into account, and considerably faster when it’s not, and has 4GB more VRAM. If performance in future games was the main consideration, that would’ve been the obvious choice in that price range and not the 4060.
But the upscaling on 6700 XT is poor. FSR is so full of shimmering and artifacts that it’s kind of a deal breaker. DLSS actually looks great. Based on my experience with both, id rather use DLSS at performance/balanced than FSR at quality, in which case the 4060 will not only give better visuals but more FPS.
You can actually play in 1440p with 6700xt though. You cannot with 4060. The better memory bandwidth and capacity coupled with better performance cannot be simply solved by upscaling. 4060 is so bandwidth starved that it immediately falls off in any resolution greater than 1080p.
I’m able to play every game at 1440p.
But they are obviously considering it. If they werent there would be no mention of Nvidia cards other than the 4090 because they are always slower at the same price.
Its not real 1080p. Its upscaled 1080p. Also, lol circlejerking over DLSS again.
Pretty wild no one seems to care about native anymore
Because native with TAA is worse than dlss quality.
Its not that. Notice that only people that purchased 960 variants care about that.
Yeah, DLSS and other tech are a crutch. This weird obsession with it shows how susceptible some people are to marketing.
Anyway, generally speaking, those techs can improve performance 50-100% IIRC.
Depends on the class if card. I don’t think either of them are good at 1080p output. At 1440 fsr is a clear loss to the point where it’s arguable if it should be enable. 4k is the only area where it’s even reasonable to do a comparison, where dlss is better but fsr is okay.
If only NV wasn’t so stingy with the VRAM. I don’t know how I feel about having DLSS, FG and RT but also blurry textures because the card runs out of VRAM.
It’s not unfair. It’s the only logical way to do the comparison.
It gets too complicated to do a comparison with upscaling technologies when there are so many constantly changing variables and a subjective aspect in regards to comparing different technologies. Which version of upscaling do you use? What if the game gets updated? What if the upscaling technology gets updated? How many frames of DLSS 2.x/3.x are comparable to FSR 2.x/3.x frames? At what quality levels? What if a game adds support for one technology but not another? I mean to even consider using upscaling numbers is ridiculous since each implementation is different and constantly changing. You’re no longer able to objectively compare these products.
Yes, but we also don’t compare cars by speed and comfort of the seat and say everything else is too complicated