i’m going to need all the anarchists to stop applying historical wrongs of communists to the modern movement of leftism in the Western world lol
this is petty infighting and pointless. we have the internet and widespread sharing of culture. we are able to educate ourselves and learn more about one another and ideological positions. there is so much uniting anarchists and communists it’s extremely pathetic to point out how 145 years ago a bunch of commies killed anarchists.
even as recent as 2000
that was 26 years ago… lol. like, look. we aren’t the same people as a species. we know more, we’ve experienced more. i don’t know a single communist or anarchist who hate each other. i swear to god this is mostly online dumb shit.
Intentional division sowing
You gotta admit, it is a bit funny, that the Korean Anarchist commune fell apart when they lost their leader.
Leading doesn’t necessarily imply hierarchy.
I see you woke up today and chose violence
Gotta counter the Lemmygrad propaganda going on here lately.
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Seriously. This shit’s been getting out of hand lately.
I chose to block Unruffled and all of it magically disappeared from the community. Curious.
If you’re gonna make ridiculous claims, at least don’t be a little bitch about it.
The actual ridiculous part is a tankie being an admin of an anarchist instance
The only kind of person who would be uneducated enough to confuse Unruffled with a tankie is a liberal. In which case, it is you who don’t fit in on an anarchist instance. So why don’t you do everyone a favor and take your right-wing ass elsewhere.
Ah yes, why don’t I go read some theory
I think any reading at all would benefit you. might I suggest The Very Hungry Caterpillar? it should be about your level.
I mean… okay. You’re baiting tankies - as one does.
But looking at this I have to note that I wish anarchists wouldn’t simply remember anarchist Catalonia and anarchist Ukraine only when arguing with liberals and tankies, but also cast a critical eye on these doomed experiments - because, spoiler alert, the anarchists involved also made some serious mistakes that one can’t actually blame on tankies, liberals and fascists.
And I don’t see anarchists doing that.
I don’t see you doing it either. What failed experiments?
Without details your comment is meaningless complaining, especially to someone who may be ignorant (like I am) to what you’re referring.
I don’t see you doing it either.
You don’t see me doing what?
What failed experiments?
Do you see any extant large scale anarchist social experiments around?
Casting a critical eye on failed experiments. Which failed experiments? Where did those anarchists go wrong?
You’re saying a lot without saying anything.
I’m asking for examples of what you’re talking about, because there’s not much context with which to understand what you’re trying to say and I wish to learn.
It sounds like you have an idea of what can be avoided/done in future but without articulating specifics your comment isn’t particularly helpful, so I’m asking for more detail so we can learn and improve.
Which failed experiments?
You mean, apart from… all of them?
Again… do you see any extant large scale anarchist social experiments around?
I’m asking for examples of what you’re talking about,
You mean like… why did anarchist Catalonia cease to be anarchist Catalonia before any fascist had even set foot in it? Like that?
Ah okay, so you had no intention of actually adding anything of value, you’re just baiting anarchists. Good to know.
I take you only self-label as an anarchist for the vibes, then?
This isnt to bait tankies, its to warn leftists not to let them get close.
its to warn leftists not to let them get close.
We already allow them to get close - they are literally crawling all over Db0. I can barely look at my inbox because it’s full of tankies throwing inane wall-of-texts at me that all boil down to, “no, states totally will wither away on their own, trust me bro.”
Further reading: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionH.html
Wikipedia says Shinmin commune leader was killed by Korean communists not Chinese. Also, imperialist Japan did invade Manchuria shortly afterwards so who can say what really ended it.
I’m not too familiar with the Korean or Greek ones, Russia and mexico are pretty spot on but idr Zapata’s exact politics, I get the revolutionaries mixed up but I think he was kind of a mess?
The Spanish context might’ve been unwinnable even if Stalin had cooperated fully. Russia was kind of a shit show as far as military and industry, and couldn’t handle all of Germany+Italy’s direct aid from next door while navigating all of it through hostile liberal states. Maybe they could have if they hadn’t spent all their time doing internal purges and being run by a dipshit gangster, but that’s being generally internally shitty, not being a bad ally.
Like they did fuck it up, sending commissars and shit, but I’m not sure it made the difference.
not being a bad ally.
Stalin was far more interested in Spain’s gold reserves than he was in defeating fascists - that’s just historical record now. But you are correct… the Republican side was hamstrung by factors even larger than Stalin’s psychotic penchant for shooting international socialism in the foot - Britain pressuring France’s (supposedly) “socialist” government into ceasing all logistic support for the Republicans being one of the big ones. You know… the same Britain that flew Franco from the Canaries to Morocco at the start of the coup so that he could take control of the Spanish colonialist military there…
Yeah, just worth remembering that when Russia fought that same enemy on their own soil few years later, they were losing ground for a while. Them being the most loyal friend in the world might not have pulled that one out of the fire.
they were losing ground for a while.
That’s a very diplomatic way of putting it.
Getting the shit strained out of them until sugar-daddy america gifted them industrial capacity?
An interesting historical tidbit…
“Blitzkrieg” is an invention of British propaganda - the Wehrmacht never used that term to describe their method of warfare. The Wehrmacht also never had any such a comprehensive and holistic methodology of combined-arms operations. There was one country, however, that did - the Soviet Union. Soviet military theorists spent the better part of the 30s coming up with some of the most forward thinking ways of actually waging modern warfare. It was called "Glubokaya Operatsiya - “Deep Operation.” It certainly wasn’t perfect or fool proof, but it was years ahead of anything being thought about in Britain, France, and even Germany. These ideas helped the Soviet army inflict the very first defeat on the Axis powers during WW2 - the battles around the Khalkhin Gol river in 1939, where the Soviet Union absolutely trashed the Japanese 6th Army.
By the time the Wehrmacht invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, it was all gone - destroyed by Stalin. One of the main architects of “Deep Operation,” Mikhail Tukhachevsky, was dead - tortured and executed on Stalin’s orders, along with God-knows how many of the Soviet military’s brightest. Even Yakov Smushkevich, who commanded the Soviet air elements at Khalkhin Gol that was so critical to the Soviet victory and was known for his tireless efforts to improve the training of Soviet pilots, wasn’t spared - tortured and executed.
It wasn’t even limited to the military. Konstantin Chelpan, the lead engineer who designed the engine for the legendary T-34 tank, wasn’t spared - tortured and executed.
It’s not difficult to see why they got beaten so badly at the start of “Operation Barbarossa” - the Soviet Union had essentially been sabotaged by Stalin.
