I don’t know the standard but if Google is involved you know they are going to be pushing people to use their own ‘extensions’ of the standard to lock both the hosts and users into their ecosystem. It’s the same thing as Microsoft’s ActiveX making sites IE only in the early 2000s.
Don’t gate keep what? That’s such a lazy way of shutting down criticism. People are responsible for taking consumer decisions that don’t ruin their future prospects. At least in the case of using browsers, regular folks can be forgiven since decisions that destroy the web ecosystem are taken before they use those anti-features. But ‘nerds’ have the foresight to see it coming - if they keep using Chrome, then it’s pure laziness. They are responsible for letting this happen by not communicating enough and not raising a voice to warn others. In any fields, it’s the job of the experts to inform others about potential pitfalls. In tech, that role belongs to nerds. If you aren’t doing that then you probably don’t have what it is needed to be a ‘nerd’.
I can’t even log into patreon with disabling firefoxs Cross site blocking because I use Google oauth to log in.
Back to my point. We wouldn’t be in this state if ‘nerds’ did their job in the first place.
I have only ever had one project on there that has been an issue. But even then it happens with all the browsers I try. Do you use any other security/privacy extensions?
The rest is really just a rant about literally getting people to use alternatives instead of Chrome.
Also those nerds that like Chrome could just switch over to basically any other Chromium-based browser to show that they don’t support Google’s new attempts to make the internet only play by corpo rules. Edge and Brave work well for normies and for nerds (though Microsoft is really really trying to make it more frustrating as possible and adding their own data mining with every update). Just have to disable various things. Like the crypto stuff on Brave, and basically anything that Microsoft tries to tell you to use. Vivaldi is a really impressive option for power users. Their UI customization are wild af and can be a bit overwhelming from the sheer amount of options. Opera is okay too, but it seems to be confusing with how it presents its options and some features seem to overlap too much for my taste with how extensions can show up in multiple places. And of course there is Chromium, but the lack of auto updates and other things defaultly not present makes it not a good option for normies.
I personally have Brave, Chrome, Edge, Firefox, LibreWolf, Mulvad, Palemoon, Tor, Vivaldi, and Waterfox installed on my main PC. So I can see how various projects are working and to be super ready to answer the question “have you tried loading the site with a different browser” if I need to contact support of a site. Though I tend to use Mulvad for searching torrent sites and Tor for onion sites. And LibreWolf, Palemoon, and Waterfox are kind of more out of an interest in seeing how different Firefox based browsers are coming along. Out of the Chromium browsers, I tend to use Vivaldi the most as it is fun to use as an RSS feed reader and can treat Mastodon/Misskey/Foundkey as kind of apps via slide-out sidebar. Can also do email similar to how a normal email app would (though not close to as many power features). Brave would be next go-to, especially now that they have the vertical tabs working as smoothly and pretty as Edge does. The vertical tabs was basically the only reason I used Edge for a bit. All the other vertical tabs from browsers like Vivaldi or extensions always feel/look bad, and the extension based ones don’t remove the normal horizontal tabs. So it always breaks the overall UI consistency.
Should anyone that isn’t me or a site designer/tester have more than maybe two or three browsers installed? Hell no, lol. But the main point is that folks that like Chrome but would like to show that they don’t like how Google is trying to re-create the old days of Internet Explorer do have options. Get those daily installs and usage metrics of Chrome to drop after so many years of being the new replacement default. Most likely won’t stop them from doing bad shit, but it would bring back some amount of competition and more importantly give more reasons for sites to respect universal standers and not just be coded to only work with one browser. We really don’t need to see a return of those little icons on every site saying that it “Works best with IE”. For profit propratary shit is how we will cease to be able to have an open internet that isn’t just HR approved and all requiring us to be “allowed” to interact with any of it.
As soon as adblock stops working the nerds will move.
Then after a while the non nerds will hear about it from the nerds…then suddenly everyone needs to support Firefox again…
Anyone still using chrome doesn’t deserve the nerd tag. How many neurons does it take to understand the consequences of using it? 3?
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The sites are broken, FireFox doesn’t break them. They make the choice to use non-standard features.
I was under the impression cross-site cookies are a standard feature per the RFC, though? Or is Patreon using some kind of non-standard extension?
I don’t know the standard but if Google is involved you know they are going to be pushing people to use their own ‘extensions’ of the standard to lock both the hosts and users into their ecosystem. It’s the same thing as Microsoft’s ActiveX making sites IE only in the early 2000s.
Don’t gate keep what? That’s such a lazy way of shutting down criticism. People are responsible for taking consumer decisions that don’t ruin their future prospects. At least in the case of using browsers, regular folks can be forgiven since decisions that destroy the web ecosystem are taken before they use those anti-features. But ‘nerds’ have the foresight to see it coming - if they keep using Chrome, then it’s pure laziness. They are responsible for letting this happen by not communicating enough and not raising a voice to warn others. In any fields, it’s the job of the experts to inform others about potential pitfalls. In tech, that role belongs to nerds. If you aren’t doing that then you probably don’t have what it is needed to be a ‘nerd’.
Back to my point. We wouldn’t be in this state if ‘nerds’ did their job in the first place.
I have only ever had one project on there that has been an issue. But even then it happens with all the browsers I try. Do you use any other security/privacy extensions?
The rest is really just a rant about literally getting people to use alternatives instead of Chrome.
Also those nerds that like Chrome could just switch over to basically any other Chromium-based browser to show that they don’t support Google’s new attempts to make the internet only play by corpo rules. Edge and Brave work well for normies and for nerds (though Microsoft is really really trying to make it more frustrating as possible and adding their own data mining with every update). Just have to disable various things. Like the crypto stuff on Brave, and basically anything that Microsoft tries to tell you to use. Vivaldi is a really impressive option for power users. Their UI customization are wild af and can be a bit overwhelming from the sheer amount of options. Opera is okay too, but it seems to be confusing with how it presents its options and some features seem to overlap too much for my taste with how extensions can show up in multiple places. And of course there is Chromium, but the lack of auto updates and other things defaultly not present makes it not a good option for normies.
I personally have Brave, Chrome, Edge, Firefox, LibreWolf, Mulvad, Palemoon, Tor, Vivaldi, and Waterfox installed on my main PC. So I can see how various projects are working and to be super ready to answer the question “have you tried loading the site with a different browser” if I need to contact support of a site. Though I tend to use Mulvad for searching torrent sites and Tor for onion sites. And LibreWolf, Palemoon, and Waterfox are kind of more out of an interest in seeing how different Firefox based browsers are coming along. Out of the Chromium browsers, I tend to use Vivaldi the most as it is fun to use as an RSS feed reader and can treat Mastodon/Misskey/Foundkey as kind of apps via slide-out sidebar. Can also do email similar to how a normal email app would (though not close to as many power features). Brave would be next go-to, especially now that they have the vertical tabs working as smoothly and pretty as Edge does. The vertical tabs was basically the only reason I used Edge for a bit. All the other vertical tabs from browsers like Vivaldi or extensions always feel/look bad, and the extension based ones don’t remove the normal horizontal tabs. So it always breaks the overall UI consistency.
Should anyone that isn’t me or a site designer/tester have more than maybe two or three browsers installed? Hell no, lol. But the main point is that folks that like Chrome but would like to show that they don’t like how Google is trying to re-create the old days of Internet Explorer do have options. Get those daily installs and usage metrics of Chrome to drop after so many years of being the new replacement default. Most likely won’t stop them from doing bad shit, but it would bring back some amount of competition and more importantly give more reasons for sites to respect universal standers and not just be coded to only work with one browser. We really don’t need to see a return of those little icons on every site saying that it “Works best with IE”. For profit propratary shit is how we will cease to be able to have an open internet that isn’t just HR approved and all requiring us to be “allowed” to interact with any of it.
Managing settings for 10 browsers sounds like a full time job
I use Firefox for everything and the only site I’ve encountered that doesn’t work is Ticketmaster, because they’re straight-up ho-bags.
That’s called the halo effect, where a small but influential group of people make something popular.
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Yes! It’s called uBlock Origin Lite. It doesn’t have element filtering, but it works well if you just want a super lightweight adblocker.
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