• garryl283@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Micah fails to realize the more he bitches about refs, the less likely they are to actually call holds that benefit him

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      1 year ago

      How is this bitching? I guess he is acknowledging that the missed holds exists, but everyone knows that. It’s not a secret. Seems like he’s either agreeing or at least understands their reasoning for not calling every single one.

    • Original_Profile8600@alien.topOPB
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      1 year ago

      I’ve accepted it’s useless, the mf will not stop tweeting. Once the mf openly admits to having a foot fetish when he absolutely did not have to you know he dgaf

      • Randyyyyyyyyyyyyyy@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        Once the mf openly admits to having a foot fetish when he absolutely did not have to

        You know how many fucking unsolicited feet pics he must get now? If that’s his deal, it’s almost certainly working out for him

          • Particular-Ad-4772@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            No he’s a genius, just think of the numerous foot products he may get to endorse bringing attention to feet .

            Will Levi’s put mayo in his coffee and 1 viral YouTube later m

            He got a lifetime mayo endorsement deal and is a brand ambassador for Helmans mayo and their parent company.

            Up to that point, it was the most lucrative deal signed by any QB in his class .

    • Lou-Piccone89@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      The automatic first down penalties need to be abolished,

      League bails out certain teams in the 4th quarter every week .

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        1 year ago

        There isn’t an equivalent for the defensive side… like, imagine offensive holding meant 5 yard penalty and automatic 4th down.

        It’s demoralizing and game changing

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        1 year ago

        Every. Single. Week.

        Crucial drives that are in a 3rd down for certain teams always get a defensive holding, illegal contact, or a very late thrown PI flag that gives an automatic first down, which then changes the outcome of the game.

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        1 year ago

        They should change some penalties so they give yardage but don’t change the distance for a first down.

        For example let’s say it’s, 3rd and 5 at the 50 and the defense gets an encroachment penalty. Normally it’d be a first down, what I’m suggesting is that it stays 3rd and 5, but now at the 45 yard line.

        • YeahThisIsMyNewAcct@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          You’re getting downvoted but you’re completely right. Most defensive penalties that occur prior to or after to a play should move you further up the field without changing the yards to go.

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          1 year ago

          I don’t think that is the fix. I think the biggest fix is bailing out bad offense with a penalty. An under thrown deep ball to a sprinting wideout is the most common. Qb throws a bad pass defender plays it perfect if it was a good pass. But it wasn’t so they get a massive penalty. In those situations they need to change the rule to account for officials discretionary rulings of uncatchable. If a ball is thrown behind a receiver sprinting full speed with a db and he suddenly stops to try and catch bad ball it shouldn’t be dbs fault.

          • LbSiO2@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            Exactly, When a CB has blocked out a WR from the ball that is the WRs problem. This coming back thru the CB for a penalty is BS.

        • Polterghost@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          That’s a reasonable take. Even though there would be some drawbacks to your proposal, I really don’t understand why everyone downvoted you.

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    1 year ago

    It would be boring, but safer, if holding was legal.

    For more fun, make holding illegal while tackling as well. That ought to boost the offense.

  • Bucser@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Every penalty which results in a new set of downs or causes change of possession should be reviewable and challengable (and not like that one time the PI calls, use the sky judge and those make the decisions)

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    1 year ago

    I disagree. I don’t care if every game ends 10-6 I’m interested in actual play not fake bullshit to pump numbers up.

    • 0xym0r0n@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Honestly the NFL doesn’t really care about us too much, I bet. We’re here talking about football in an online forum minutes before football is on. They already got us.

  • SmallCondition1468@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    The problem isn’t that holding happens every play. Many don’t matter and hardly impact the play.

    The problem is that highly consequential and OBVIOUS holding getting ignored is what frustrates fans. Refs, specifically THE referee consistently miss (or ignore) play-changing holds several times a game.

    Same problem with other penalties being called. Very inconsistent.

  • matt2fat14u@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    If you remember a few years ago they did this, and the viewership went down and everyone bitched. It was insane how many holding calls they were calling.

    • Gospeedracist@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Because holding is the most obnoxious penalty in football.

      Huge play just happened? nervously waiting 10 seconds to see if a holding call is coming

      10 yard penalty on first down? Drive is over. I remember reading that TDs were scored less than 5% of the time on drives where holding is called.

      We would get way more Steelers-Browns games if holding was called as often as it should. Different strokes for different folks, but I don’t want to watch 9-6 shithousery every week

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      The only annoying thing about it now is how selective it is. Realistically almost every play could have a holding call, so they only call the ones that are obvious. I think everyone is okay with that, but the problem is that sometimes a less obvious one has a significant effect but doesn’t get called or a more obvious one has little to no effect and does get called.

      The solution definitely isn’t to just throw that shit every time they see it, because that would be most plays, but right now I feel like reffing has to be changed somehow because it’s been awful

      • matt2fat14u@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        Your right, what makes it a hold vs what Doesn’t is the question . I think the nfl did indeed say just call the most egregious ones and that’s it makes sense from keeping everyone involved in the game bc I do remember when they were calling every play I stopped watching it. But your are right it needs to be more standardized in what’s dictates a hold and what doesn’t. Bc let’s be honest the defense wants a hold every snap lol

        • BlueLaceSensor128@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          The whole point of a penalty is to discourage it from happening in the first place. If they’re still doing it, the penalty needs to be increased. Hell, throw them out of the game after the second one.

          If teams can’t stop them without holding, letting them just do it isn’t a reasonable solution. Why would anyone invest a dime in elite pass rushers if they’re just going to be nerfed by the refs? Eventually you wouldn’t even need great o-lines anymore either, everyone’s just gonna grab the best holders.

          • matt2fat14u@alien.topB
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            1 year ago

            Ya but the nfl is an entertainment business. Therefor they want entertainment lol. So they aren’t going to call holding calls at huge amounts as they did years ago bc of the backlash. It is what it is.

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              Sacks are entertaining. Watching your team being held over and over with no calls is not. Especially with the specter of games being fixed.

              They tried that and it didn’t work, but that doesn’t mean nothing with work. If they pull the players doing it, it will stop. Imagine having to ride it out with backups.

              Just look at the lower incidence of DPI in the NFL vs. NCAA. It’s a spot foul in the NFL vs 15 yards in cfb. And unsurprisingly, there’s more DPI in cfb. If the holding penalty was more severe, as well as being called as it’s seen, it would happen less. Even making it 15 yards instead of 10 would help.

  • KnotSoSalty@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    OL holding should be officiated differently. More like penalties in basketball. The line gets a set number of allowed holds per half and after that each one is a called penalty.

    Yes that means they could hold more early on, but that would risk a higher likelihood of holding penalties in key moments at the end of halves when it’s more valuable.

    Say the number is 5 allowed per team per half. There are 35 offensive plays per team each half. So the OL can only “get away” with holding on 14% of them, which I think we can all agree is less than the percentage of holds teams currently get no-calls on.

    You could build in safeguards against abuses as well like; no exceptions under 2 minutes.

    This would also allow linemen to learn how the refs will be calling holding for that particular game.

    If this worked for OL Holding it could also work for PI.

      • HealthcareIsKillUs@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        The NFL and NBA already share the fact that they are entertainment entities meant to make profits first, competitive sports leagues that are meant to find the best team second.

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      So 10 times a game (5 for both teams), we’re going to have the refs stop the game to announce a penalty that doesn’t count? I’m sorry, but that would be an already ad-filled viewing experience that much worse.

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        1 year ago

        It wouldn’t be a flag until the allowed holds ran out. They’d either make a 5 second announcement or just tell the teams on the sideline.

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    They should change the holding penalty to 5 yards instead of 10. Maybe they’d be inclined to call more holds consistently. 10 yards is a huge penalty to recover from.