I mean there’s not much to say about the issues he brings up. He’s right, not much to do about it. The fact that wayland lacks both a consistent implementation and basic windowing features is pretty much just the way it is, which is what he pointed out
Yes, but even that gets lost in the “OMG he said swear words” feigned pearl clutching. We’re adults, we’ve all heard and used these words. People need to stop pretending otherwise.
Also this is some guy giving you a premium service for free. Open Source is not the batista at your local Starbucks. If the dev tells you to go fuck yourself, you either chuckle along or choose to stop using the software. There is no HR department.
Welcome to PCSX2 development. Same project that had a developer, years ago, claiming that supporting Linux was a burden and that if only Linux was not a support target, the Windows build was much further along but sadly they needed to support Linux.
Bruh bring up the “they said shitty stuff 10 years ago so it is bad forever” card, linux 10-12 years ago was WAY DIFFERENT that it is today, it was less used, was harder to work with and overall not worth using at that time.
Needlessly? Some software developers spend a lot of time and effort trying to make their software as bug free and nice as possible.
Unfortunately, “platforms” like Linux constantly get in the way with nonsense and the army of dumb people regurgitating nonsense pisses those developers off.
this isn’t a linux problem lol, it’s specifically a wayland problem. the program works fine on x11 already, which is why they disabled wayland. I don’t know why you’re acting like linux is some weird fake platform that nobody uses, this is literally the linux gaming sub. 12 year olds regurgitating BS is universal regardless of platform
this isn’t a linux problem lol, it’s specifically a wayland problem
Which, given where the Linux desktop world is going, effectively makes it a Linux problem.
Yes I know I know, it’s all made up of a bunch of different projects all working in tandom, GNU+Linux+Wayland+systemd+KDE+whatever. But at the end of the day, if one critical system component fails, it all fails.
sure except for the fact that by just using xwayland the problem was solved. the main problem in this situation was just people not reading the devs posts and commenting stuff anyways. not having wayland won’t save you from that. Original commenter implied that linux was somehow preventing the devs from making s functional application in general
Yeah and ideally we’d be making a transition to Wayland soon, where Devs can stop even thinking about X as new software is made. Sadly the state of things for the last… 14 years? Has not made that possible.
I don’t know how it is today, but he wasn’t very fond of Linux back when he started working on Duckstation. Basically saying that the emulator was made for Windows and if you had problems with it on Linux, you were on your own. And the jabs to the Linux “world” were constant in that Discord server.
Everybody can have their own opinion, obviously. I’m just saying that this doesn’t caught me by surprise.
In the PR he says that he doesn’t personally use Linux and that maintaining support is a hassle because he doesn’t use it. So he doesn’t want to support different Linuxes flavors (like Wayland) that are broken in themselves
And TBH I understand him, developing for a platform you don’t use is a hassle, be it Windows or Linux, but Linux just have so much fragmentation on top of it
this is the second needlessly condescending emulator dev moment ive seen recently lmao
People who complain about his language more than the actual issues he brings up are even more tedious.
I mean there’s not much to say about the issues he brings up. He’s right, not much to do about it. The fact that wayland lacks both a consistent implementation and basic windowing features is pretty much just the way it is, which is what he pointed out
Yes, but even that gets lost in the “OMG he said swear words” feigned pearl clutching. We’re adults, we’ve all heard and used these words. People need to stop pretending otherwise.
So you are saying you dont mind verbal abuse as you have experienced it already? okaay
Abuse… of a compositing protocol?
The discussion is about the language used by the author.
Yes, and language requires two parties to happen.
Fuckoff
Also this is some guy giving you a premium service for free. Open Source is not the batista at your local Starbucks. If the dev tells you to go fuck yourself, you either chuckle along or choose to stop using the software. There is no HR department.
Not just that, but to an audience half made of dumb kids.
You shouldn’t swear around kids.
Kids don’t know what source code is
People who can’t “do” like to think their talking helps way more than it actually does. Comments like this make me miss reddit awards.
*barista
That’s because they did not found yet out about Lutris maintainer way of communicating
Welcome to PCSX2 development. Same project that had a developer, years ago, claiming that supporting Linux was a burden and that if only Linux was not a support target, the Windows build was much further along but sadly they needed to support Linux.
This seems absolute horseshit because gregory was the main developer for much of the past decade.
Like, he literally made the linux build like better than the windows one.
This is very old stuff in fact
If we are talking about even older events, then no shit.
Linux was barely able to do one job before 2013-2014.
10 years ago it was pretty much the same as it is today. Spoiler alert: 20 years ago as well. Everything worked fine.
Unless you speak about gaming.
Gaming was just the most obvious shortcoming really (I still remember when getting opengl 4 was like the moonshot).
Back then there was all the UEFI sky-is-falling dooming
And in 2010 not even ACPI was half-way ideal
Bruh bring up the “they said shitty stuff 10 years ago so it is bad forever” card, linux 10-12 years ago was WAY DIFFERENT that it is today, it was less used, was harder to work with and overall not worth using at that time.
Interesting that in ~10 years the professionalism of the project’s communication hasn’t changed, despite circumstances changing
Needlessly? Some software developers spend a lot of time and effort trying to make their software as bug free and nice as possible.
Unfortunately, “platforms” like Linux constantly get in the way with nonsense and the army of dumb people regurgitating nonsense pisses those developers off.
this isn’t a linux problem lol, it’s specifically a wayland problem. the program works fine on x11 already, which is why they disabled wayland. I don’t know why you’re acting like linux is some weird fake platform that nobody uses, this is literally the linux gaming sub. 12 year olds regurgitating BS is universal regardless of platform
Which, given where the Linux desktop world is going, effectively makes it a Linux problem.
Yes I know I know, it’s all made up of a bunch of different projects all working in tandom, GNU+Linux+Wayland+systemd+KDE+whatever. But at the end of the day, if one critical system component fails, it all fails.
sure except for the fact that by just using xwayland the problem was solved. the main problem in this situation was just people not reading the devs posts and commenting stuff anyways. not having wayland won’t save you from that. Original commenter implied that linux was somehow preventing the devs from making s functional application in general
Yeah and ideally we’d be making a transition to Wayland soon, where Devs can stop even thinking about X as new software is made. Sadly the state of things for the last… 14 years? Has not made that possible.
it’s almost to the level of Linus mailing list rants 😂
And it also sounds like a direct jab to SwayWM’s old command line parameter,
my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidiahttps://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6797What is the first instance?
I don’t blame them for it. Look at the people not reading dev’s explanation in the thread and still trying argue with them.
Was not expecting Stenzek of all people to be acting like this
Ngl my mind was also blown by the amount of “trivial stupidities” that time I tried KDE wayland.
I don’t know how it is today, but he wasn’t very fond of Linux back when he started working on Duckstation. Basically saying that the emulator was made for Windows and if you had problems with it on Linux, you were on your own. And the jabs to the Linux “world” were constant in that Discord server.
Everybody can have their own opinion, obviously. I’m just saying that this doesn’t caught me by surprise.
In the PR he says that he doesn’t personally use Linux and that maintaining support is a hassle because he doesn’t use it. So he doesn’t want to support different Linuxes flavors (like Wayland) that are broken in themselves
And TBH I understand him, developing for a platform you don’t use is a hassle, be it Windows or Linux, but Linux just have so much fragmentation on top of it
Check out what they did with adding ads to AetherSX2 for a laugh.