Maybe the EU can strike a deal with Musk and Trump. I don’t mind the EU providing funding for an American Mars mission, so long as it includes Orbán going there.

Es ist nicht wichtig ob die Geste denn nun wirklich 100% dem Gruß den die Nazis tatsächlich gemacht haben gleicht, was wichtig ist, ist das rechtsextreme Propagandisten eine Geste machen die klar in einer Kontinuität mit dem Nationalsozialismus steht. Was Musk und Bannon da gemacht haben, gehört einfach zum kulturellen Phänomen ‘Hitlergruß’, und trägt zur immer fortschreitenden Normalisierung rechtsextremer Äußerungen bei.

This is it, and we (in the west) have gone so far to the right that the richest man of the world, with a powerful position (formally) near government can do the Hitler salute and the established media just shrugs.

Doing the Hitler salute used to make you a pariah. Now, it’s just a thing the extreme right does to ‘provoke’ (that word I saw used to describe Bannon’s salute in a German newspaper title). In a couple of years, it is normal that the right does this, and the established media doesn’t bat an eye anymore.

It’s clear that you still can’t trust established media to be a force against nazism. They’ll start analysing the nazi takeover as nazi only when it’s much too late, out of fear of not being ‘neutral’.

Wirklich seltsame Geste. Hat er denn auch Autismus?

Man sollte hier eigentlich immer nur über ‘sogenannte Redefreiheit’ reden.

Spain?

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This isn’t a new position. Putin has already said years back that he doesn’t care if Ukraine joins the EU.

Yeah, in that case I understand.

I get Hungary, but you’d expect all constructive countries to be invited.

Saudi Arabia isn’t an ICC member state, though, so they don’t have to comply with the warrant (probably part of why they picked Saudi Arabia).

If they want Europe to enforce the peace in Ukraine, a ‘deal’ without Europe is meaningless as well (you’d hope, anyway. Otherwise the European establishment would agree with America treating Europe like their bitch).

Dann braucht es natürlich noch eine Säuberung in den eigenen Reihen.

Hey, we at least already have this great new small-scale social medium called Feddit.nl.

(relatively new, anyway)

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I’ll share a somewhat relevant Dutch song from the German occupation. The NSB was the main Dutch nazi party collaborating with the Germans, Volk en Vaderland (People and Fatherland) was their newspaper.

On the corner of the street stands a Pharisee

It’s not a man nor a woman, it’s one from the NSB

With a newspaper in his hand he’s peddling his wares

He sells his People and Fatherland for six lousy cents

Right, some of us are swamp Germans!

Did he do it with FACTS and LOGIC?

They seem to only have a rule against dehumanisation of minorities, where the term is pretty clearly intended to mean minorities generally subject to persecution/bigotry:

4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.

I feel the ban is a bit over the top, anyway. I get the post being removed for being a bit too aggressive, but to immediately ban over (what I presume) is a first offence… I’d simply give a warning myself.

Then we’ll have to conquer Russia and convince China to rename itself Eastasia.

This can’t be the whole truth, though. What ivanafterall is describing is true for essentially the whole western world. Media (or at least high-brow media) feel they need to be respectable, and to be respectable you have to be perfectly neutral. Not just in America did established media feel the need trivialise Musk’s obvious Hitler salute, this happened all over. I follow Dutch and German media, and haven’t seen a mainline newspaper call it what it was.