Free citizen of what country?

That is actually a great question. Countries are institutions which, despite all the corruption across the world, hold some promise for their citizens to be treated fairly and with dignity. Globally operating corporations like Framework are creating a global “community”, yet there is no common basis for that group of people to really become a community. It’s a homegrown community that can be cut, shaped or left to rot at the behest of the gardener, Framework. My plea is that we, the people who actually make up that community, agree on a set of baseline rules that control the power of that gardener. There should be no personal grudges determining whether a person can open a forum thread on something. There should be no forbidden topics. And there should be no permabanning unless the person is incessantly harassing someone. Those I believe we can all agree on. It’s difficult when we are not part of the same society - that’s why we should be extra careful not to ostracize each other, further fragmenting our already disadvantaged ranks.

You have disproved your own claim, and then you rest your case :D My good fellow, showing people how they are wrong about something is not an attack.

Not combative, argumentative. Stop using bellicose terms for something not violent. The only violent act was removing me from the forums.

Is that what attack means in your world? Really? Heavily trying to avoid some narrative is now an attack? That sums up most of this thread really. People are way lost in their head.

I want people to think about more than their selfish interest and act as a society that demands more from corporations. One that demands fair treatment, one that doesn’t condone permabanning people for being annoying. Despite the noise, I’m convinced it’s working. There are voices that seem to understand this, and I am positive that over time people who will find this thread will be shocked at the vitriol people let out at my report. It will make future readers think and try to understand why it’s important to raise the stink I’m raising. We have a choice - we can be individuals taken advantage of or a society that stands up for norms that serve everyone’s interest. Shutting people up forever for being annoying is not one of those norms. That’s the norm of an aggressive mob.

What attack are you talking about?

When it’s 100 people pointing at one, insisting that they are perceiving everyone as assholes, when in fact they aren’t, that’s a peculiar situation.

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You’re trying to trigger me, but there’s no reason. I’m engaging with mostly everyone anyway. That’s why I’ve opened the thread.

You have a slave’s morals as in you find it entirely justified that some people just get deleted from the public space at the behest of the powers that be. That’s the nature of things in a slave’s world.

In the world that a free citizen demands, you don’t get permanently muted for rubbing mods the wrong way.

Well luckily it’s not an animal so it can be resurrected. Seriously though, it begins at public demand for it, and not normalizing abuse of moderation powers.

Incredibly rude sentence from me towards person who was just try to help me. You copy it here. Now, or your statement is retracted.

Have you ever been tested for being prone to ad hominem derailment? That’s right, you just have, and you came out positive!

Here: https://community.frame.work/t/extremely-high-pitched-sound-coming-from-around-cpu/29975

I suspect if you made a fresh post, after a bit of cool down time, and only talked about coil whine and. didn’t mention anything at all regarding your previous moderator interactions. IE not being meta… It would have been fine.

I did make a fresh post, only talking about coil whine, not mentioning anything at all regarding my previous moderator interactions, IE I was not being meta. That’s my point. I was totally cool.

The moderators weren’t. That’s a problem. For you and for me. My attitude is not a real problem to anyone. You are free to abandon this conversation any time. Framework and its business policies are here to stay.

No I think it really does matter. Public opinion can be shifted. It has huge inertia but people should be pushing it in the right way to begin with.

Great argument, I’m saving this for later.

Reasonably knowing that someone is illegally reshipping something is a very high bar to jump. Why would they have to know where someone is shipping their laptop?

And most importantly, my point was entirely about having already sold the device. So, yeah. They can deny service to you up front for any reason, but they realizing you’ve flown in under their radar does not somehow void warranty law and other consumer protection regulations.

So what if I’m combative? How does that affect your life? Something about my story is irking people, and it’s all too easy to project it onto my combative behavior. I say it’s indeed the way Framework is subtly but obscenely overstepping boundaries. Can’t do anything about this message? A rational first reaction is to hate the messenger. <3

Many people tell me I’m wrong, and usually what they mean is I’m annoying. They are also ignoring the points I’m right about. Nothing new there. I want people to focus on how Framework is overstepping the boundaries though, because I’m not the important issue here. You will probably never interact with me ever again, so why focus on my traits? Framework is here to stay in the public space, so let’s focus on what they are doing wrong - and you know what? People do understand this, and they feel powerless about it, and they take it out on me instead as a form of cognitive dissonance reduction. I don’t blame anyone for doing this. But do note how much effort people suddenly put into correcting the behavior of someone they have no interest in. Funny, isn’t it?

I’m sure they had some points, although the original mod’s citings were utterly irrelevant and the whole lecture was just incoherent drivel, you can go check it out if you’re interested.

I understand it rubs people the wrong way. I’m holding them to higher standards though - to standards of not banning people based on being “rubbed the wrong way”. That’s… backwards. Human civilization is built on higher understanding, not acting on knee jerk feelings. And I assume fully that Framework is not acting on knee jerk feelings, they know very well what they are doing. And it’s terrifying.