Why did you make up fake stats? What was your goal?

Genuinely curious.

Of course, in reality, it’s that you simply formulated your opinions based on headlines and comments from your echo-chamber.

Being informed is just too much work for you, and you’d prefer to just parrot intellectually lazy, slopulist talking points.

Again, you could just not hold such strong opinions if you’re too lazy to inform yourself. But virtue-signaling to your in-group gets you that nice dopamine hit.

Reminder that you still haven’t acknowledged that you fully made up data to support your argument. Kinda wild that you’re willing to just lie like that.

I want all the “extreme stuff” though.

So you want an authoritarian communist regime. That’s fine, but then don’t be surprised when people push back.

Or maybe you didn’t actually mean all the “extreme stuff”. Just the “extreme stuff” like affordable healthcare and housing? Because, again, those are just bog-standard establishment Dem positions. No reason coalition-build with tankies to push for those.

You what’s extreme? Valuing money and property over human life. Capitalism will always degenerate and lead to alienation and social degeneration of the working class in favor of the capitalist class. Money is the root of all evil.

They are transparent about their beliefs. The working class absolutely needs to seize power and put the capitalist class under their thumb. Lest we become a fat, lazy nation dying from heat stroke in an Amazon warehouse while AI takes over most jobs. Don’t think for a second whether they care that you live or die. And they bought off the majority of our government.

This surface-level Marxist critique is nice and all, but it’s really just moral grandstanding without any substance. It’s so intellectually lazy to hand-wave away the problems of the world as being the result of a spooky class of people and an evil economic system. Especially if you can’t explain how your magical, perfect system will be completely corruption-free.

It’s very telling that you won’t engage with any specifics or examples. You’ve just completely dodged the vast majority of my response, including where I showed that you made up fake statistics.

Pick a DSA-backed candidate. Give me the policy positions they campaigned on that you like. Tell me how they differ significantly from the candidate they won over.

That would be a very simple start. If you can’t do that, you should really consider why you hold such strong opinions about this.

You’re both looking at it from completely different angles.

You’re seeing it at a way to criticise someone’s grammar; they’re looking at it as a puzzle to construct a grammatically correct sentence without imparting any meaning.

I was coming to post this in case someone else hadn’t. It’s spot on.

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Why do you want to take health care from people and food out of the mouths of children?

I don’t.

why do you want to support war criminals?

I don’t.

wtf is wrong with you?

I might be a little dehydrated. You?

Your point was that answering a question directly means talking out of your ass?

That’s a weird point to make, and I’m not sure how I proved it, but okay…

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They actually have a coherent platform. Go look at it.

I have. It’s in line with their Marxist-Leninist ideology. Has the greatest hits like:

• Abolish capitalism
• Seize private property
• Government-provided (somehow):
  • Housing
  • Food
  • Pre-K to college education (including medical education and training)
  • Energy
  • Universal healthcare
  • Transportation
• Abolish the police and the ability for the state to incarcerate people (so… vigilante/mob justice)
• Prosecute people they consider to be war criminals (remember, the far left accused Kamala and Biden of genocide)

The DSA-backed guys like Mamdani are doing good stuff

Mamdani is alright. But especially in the beginning, people glaze him for things he didn’t have anything to do with, or that’s just part of the job that any mayor would have done. Stuff like “balancing the budget”, tiktoks about potholes being filled after tweeting at him, childcare expansion, transit upgrades, etc.

But that’s part of the vanguard party strategy. Sell the “see, we’re not so bad, we just want healthcare and free busses lol” narrative to garner populist support.

the dems platform mainly consists of orange man bad

They actually have a coherent platform. Go look at it.

polling that shows most Americans want universal health coverage, not the half-assed public/private ACA nonsense

But your source says “35% of all adults favor a single national health insurance system run by the government.”?

You have centrist democrats in battleground and red states resisting climate change timelines when nearly two-thirds of Americans want climate change addressed.

And yet Biden passed the largest climate and clean-energy legislation ever in US history during his term. Didn’t get much media attention for some reason…

Meanwhile, you have the DSA proposing really good stuff, like eliminating the senate to get rid of disproportionate representation of red states with small populations, who have also gerrymandered the heck out of the electoral map to gain further advantage and shut out the power of a majority vote.

And how is that position reflecting in the polls? Is it looking likely to swing any elections?

If you don’t want progressives to run a coup within the Dem ranks, then actually use a good platform

The vast majority of the positions these DSA-backed candidates hold that resonate with the voter base are pretty well in line with the general positions of the Democratic party at large. But they serve it up with a healthy dose of “fuck the system, man” and people lap it up.

Meanwhile, look at the disaster that was Graham Platner. Apparently they’re cool with a nazi mercenary rapist so long as he isn’t a gasp establishment dem.

And then you have their unhinged pundits, who AES chose to campaign with, and refuses to strongly condemn for their behavior like saying America deserved 9/11, cheering on terrorist attacks, platforming terrorists, etc. Now their even starting to call for violence against liberals for being anti-DSA. All of which is being used by Republicans as free easy ammo to smear the whole party.

You got it backwards. The Dems are losing because they support the status quo, not progressive policies like the growing number of millennial and Z voters want.

Where are they losing for those reasons? What evidence do we have that DSA-backed candidates will flip those seats in the general?

They’re the ones falling further behind because of this free-market fascist kleptocracy crap.

You have Dems engaging in insider trading, supporting Israel, obeying corporate masters, breaking ranks and siding with the GOP/oligarchs… establishment Dems progressively look more and more like the GOP as time passes.

Mmm, a nice healthy serving of both-parties-are-the-same slopulism, with no examples given or reasons why the DSA would fix these issues.

I mean, just barely. But the fact that he feels he has to distance himself at all should tell us something, no?

They are threat to the democratic party? The party that lost to a reality show clown without the DSA?

They also lost that election without running an actual penguin for President. Doesn’t mean they would have won if they did. Some would argue they would have performed even worse. Penguins have a pretty incoherent policy platform, after all.

The democratic party that’s sat idly by as that clown turns the US into a circus?

The Republicans have a majority and a packed Supreme Court.

Yeah, fair. And we’ll see how campaigning with a tankie plays out for AES. I’m sure moderates in a state like that love that kind of rhetoric.

think it’s more important for your team to win the sporting event than it is to have a functioning government

I gave a perfectly coherent argument for exactly the opposite. You, on the other hand, can’t argue a single point.

corporate democrats that keep passing all their policies.

Such as?

How so? I literally answered their question after they refused to answer mine…

Wouldn’t the person refusing to answer a simple question be the one clearly talking out of their ass?

Yeah, I kinda expected you to tap out as soon as you had to engage with a single fact.

Oh well, more MAGA for us then. Yay. They must be thrilled to have you for controlled opposition.

I’ll take that as a concession then. They aren’t winning any elections outside of primaries in deeply blue districts.

Which informs my answer to your question. They weaken the brand by opening it up to easy attacks (things like Romer’s utter inability to defend the platform in interviews, to the Hasan Piker fallout).

As a result, they are hurting the Dems chances in a very important midterm general.

Which you apparently think is good because they do lip service you like.