Any regular lurkers here will probably know that the general sentiment in this sub towards PCCB and center lock wheel is pretty negative as they are seen as nothing more than a marketing ploy from Porsche with no real benefits and is a pretty stupid options to choose.

Like, if you prefer lug nuts and steel brakes for whatever reason then you do you really. It’s your car. But when you start calling people stupid for choosing Ceramic Brakes and Center Lock rims then you are just being a hypocrite and an ass.

People keep saying that there are no real benefits of Ceramic Brakes and Center Lock wheel on and off tracks, and in fact makes it harder for maintenances. That might be true. But you know what? Some people don’t care about those things. They just want what looks cool to them. And when you think about it, there really is no real reason why anyone need to buy a sportscar in the first place. It’s a bad financial decision. Encouraging risky and illegal behaviour. It’s also pretty bad for environment. Also annoys your neighbour.

But we get them anyway because we like them and that’s all there is to it. Same goes for whatever options people choose on their car. So it’s really hypocritical when people here try to tell others why they are not supposed to like ceramic brakes and centerlock wheels. Just make ya’ll seems like an angry vocal reddit car nerds with strong opinion honestly.

So yeah, tone down with the echochamber and let people enjoy what they like.

  • Kinky_mofo@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    And for those of us not swapping tires at a track each week, how often do we really need to remove the wheels? For me, it’s somewhere between next to never and never.

    • poisonandtheremedy@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Every 5,000 miles? (Tire rotations). Every brake pad change? Every time I’m jacking the car up fiddling around when stuff?

      I get some people are afraid of tools, but a lot of us car enthusiasts do work on our vehicles fairly regularly.

      • Kaneshadow@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Everybody knows if you run directional tires the wrong way your car slides around like it’s on ice

      • SpeedyDingo@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I’d argue that since any Porsche that has center lugs is a sports car, it likely means the front and rear tires are different sizes and a lot of modern tires are one-directional. Meaning I don’t think it’s even possible to rotate tires in that case anyway making it even less often you’d actually be taking them off.

      • Kinky_mofo@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I don’t jack up my car and fiddle with stuff, so no bother to me. And not sure why centerlocks would spark fear for an enthusiast who likes working on their car.

      • PRSArchon@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I do all maintenance and repairs myself and I remove my wheels way less than once a year on average (don’t need winter tires). How would you do tire rotations on a car that has different sizes front and rear and performance tires you cant swap left to right?

        • poisonandtheremedy@alien.topBEnglish
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          10 months ago

          You running directional tires? I’m not. Michelin 4s are asymmetrical but not directional. Yes I’m aware of Michelin’s ‘staggered warranty’ language on their website, but the tires aren’t stamped directional.

  • rennen-affe@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Center lock is just a fastening mechanism.

    Ceramics take a bit to “warm up”. I run ceramics with high carbon rotors. They usually squeal a bit in the morning and go away quickly. I can get into a spirited drive where there’s advantages on the brakes, but most people are just “commuters” that think they need something they don’t need.

    • Known-Diet-4170@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      also in general, carbon brakes prefers a single firm application insted of a lot of gentle taps wich is fine if you are on track but if you are in traffic it gets annoying preatty quickly

  • humdizzle@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    those people are just delusional. You can go round and round with that argument until it gets the point of ‘nobody needs anything more than a civic on the street’. I got ceramics on my gt3 because personally i think chalk with yellow calipers and seat belts looks better than chalk with red ones. the lack of brake dust is an added bonus

    • ajh1717@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Lack of brake dust is a huge bonus.

      With all the rim theft going on around the country center locks is also a plus 😂. Doubt criminals are riding around with a center lock tool

    • Known-Diet-4170@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I got ceramics on my gt3

      you also have a gt3, wich i imagine you’d be using on track from time to time were they are actually usefull

  • cuntyminx@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Personally I’d much rather have steel rotors and 5 lug wheels, overall it is just much easier and cleaner and cheaper to deal with on a street car.

    PCCBs are sweet though, downright impressive performance.

  • sonnyr1200@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Have both on my Turbo S. Clean wheels, fantastic braking and looks cool. Phuck the jealous haters 😂

  • Specialist_Jello5527@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    A lot of this stuff is in the “nice to have” not “need to have basis. CCB’s don’t really come alive until you’re doing HPDE’s in them so they just end up becoming another bling factor people like to show off at cars and coffees.

    I love nice stuff as much as the next guy, but we often overrate the heck out of these things.

  • wrighterjw10@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    CCB present: “OMG look at this idiot, he bought the CCBs! What a waste!”

    CCB not present: “OMG do you not care about resale? No buyer is going to want steel brakes on a $250k car”

    • TIK_GT@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Usually CCB rotors come with bigger calipers so it’s one less thing to upgrade. Just swap the rotors and pads.

  • good-luck-23@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    People can buy what “looks cool to them” and that’s fine. Aerokits are another example. But the made-up lies defending those two options are silly. You didn’t mention any so I have no beef with your decisions.

    But, ceramic brakes do not stop a car in shorter distances. Braking is tire limited in Porsches. You will never detect the difference in un-sprung weight. Yes the yellow calipers are cool.

    Center locks in a non-race care are unsafe because untrained people cannot maintain them properly. Eventually you will need to have a tire changed at a non-Porsche shop. Look sporty? Yes.

    • blackiconwhitesumo@alien.topOPBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Center locks is not some voodoo magic you know.

      Any shop with a long wrench and a few guys can service it. The socket comes with the car.

      • bearded_fisch_stix@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        And the yahoo lube/tire tech you get towed to after picking up a nail in bumblefuck south carolina is going to throw that socket on his ugga dugga gun and fuck everything up by turning shit the wrong way.

    • ReallyLovesCars@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I can feel the unsprung weight. Drove one with and without pccb and I could tell very clearly on corner entry when steering.

    • zxrax@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      you will never detect the difference in unsprung weight

      Some people certainly will.

  • Pdb12345@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I had PFC brakes on my GT3 and I went BACK to ceramics. I’m quite fast. :)

    Any old shop swap center locks these days, its easy. People swap CLs at the track all the time.

    Most of this sub is “rate my configurator spec”, just take it for what it is. Reddit.

  • ksozay@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    10 months ago

    “We all want to buy a garage queen and sell a whore.”

    - Abraham Lincoln most likely

  • -PinkTree@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    To be quite honest I have no hate for any of them. My wheels on the targa are 5 lugs and I ordered some wheels from WiseMotorsports that have a 5 lug with a centre lock cover (about 15 nm to lock them tight as a cover. Comes with the wrench too). But I would never go with a centre lock on a daily car like Panamera or Cayenne because when it goes flat, changing the tire is going to be A REAL PAIN IN THE ASS!

    Not to mention that you must carry a full size spare cause those skinnies don’t got CL types.

    PCCBs are well… fucking awesome, but if you track the shit out of the car and you are balling like Drake to maintain those things. On a day to day basis though, they aren’t too bad. Not a lot of brake dust and the pads last way longer than the metallic pads on steel discs. I would never pay the price for them though cause I still don’t got money to track my car down every Sunday 😂