First: I’m not interested in debating whether or not AOC is the future of the Raiders here, because right now we have no idea. This conversation is assuming that he’s not, and that the Raiders look to move on with someone else at the QB position next year.

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So on the Silver and Black Today Podcast, the hosts talked about the possibility of Justin Fields maybe going to Las Vegas next year. And they made that connection around the fact that Champ Kelly scouted and drafted Fields while he was in Chicago, so there is a pre-existing relationship there.

They also pointed out that Mark Davis has plainly said that Champ Kelly was his pick to be GM before McDaniels brought Ziegler as a package deal. So the assumption there is that Champ Kelly will likely have the job going into next year.

If this all comes to fruition, what do we think about that?

I personally think Fields is talented, and can be great given the right environment. Chicago has never developed QBs well, as they tend to be a more defensive culture.

On top of that, I can’t imagine Chicago will ask for more than a 3rd or 4th round pick for the guy, which I would be fine with. With the 1st pick, they’ll likely be all in on Caleb Williams.

This would allow us to focus on the lines, and secondary in the draft while giving him a shot in Vegas for a year. It would be so low risk, and potential high reward. And if it doesn’t work out, we could always look to a QB in next years draft.

Or do you think we go all in on one of the potential studs coming out this year?

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  • _____score@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    With Jimmy G eating cap, AOC doing as much as a rookie as say Carr, and more than Brees or Brady, it would take a really definitive view to heavily invest in another QB to be the starter - thats my summary of the context from our end.

    Fields as of today: Chicago fans view seems to be he can’t read defenses or go through progressions, so is pretty much limited run option passes, with garbage around him to help out. Dunno why a raider fan would contradict that view.

    I think he’d be more of a change of pace type backup/niche play guy for us. So far no one in the modern NFL has managed to get two passers on the field as a regular part of the offense, its the sort of thing OCs would have fun drawing up but not the blocking to execute.

    • Cr33dBr4tton@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      So far no one in the modern NFL has managed to get two passers on the field as a regular part of the offense

      You want The Heartbreak Kids, the Madden storyline, in real life for Vegas? I hope your weed is cheap, because you’re smoking a lot of it.

  • Verdant_Gymnosperm@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Im a fan of both teams. I think fields has been hindered by coaching but it’s obvious they dont trust him to have free rein over the offense by how they call plays for him. If getsy is calling all these screens and short passes it shows he doesn’t trust fields to be productive and his best games were against the worst pass D in the league at the time (broncos and commanders). He would be better with us im sure but i dont think it would be worth to spend picks for someone when AOC is comparable, and probably better tbh. I would keep AOC or draft someone.

    • ForayIntoFillyloo@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Agreed. Fields is not a viable option to be a successful NFL QB on a winning NFL team. At best he can fill a Taysom Hill type situation.

      • oldgreen52@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Exactly but I didn’t want to say to much , and my phone blow up all day lol . And I like the guy, I’m a Buckeye fan ! Even then I never thought he was an NFL starter

  • N_Pitou@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    i like fields, last year he was legit the only good player on the team. This year they have D.J. Moore but thats really it. Add in a mid line and coaches who dont know what a forward pass is; they arnt doing that kid any favors.

  • JustWinYo@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Fields is definitely more talented than AOC, but at the same time AOC is a better pocket passer. Both lacking a different areas. I’d personally rather us just start fresh draft a franchise QB on a rookie deal.

  • Kcrizzle87@alien.topOPBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    To add on and to be fair: we also do not have a great history of developing QBs, but Fields has time and experience in the league to where we wouldn’t be starting over from scratch with him.

  • cgernaat119@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    This is worst case scenario and also peak mark Davis. There are 10 fcs college qbs I’d rather draft with our last pick than have fields.

  • hammilithome@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Turnover machine without the deep threat. Nothing more than a qb2 since he can’t feed davante.

    • apcali209@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I thought his deep accuracy was a positive on him. It’s just Chicago is intent on running screens at the line of scrimmage.

  • Hyperboreer@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Nothing against him personally, but the instances where you actually get a longterm franchise QB on his second team are so rare, it’s not worth it. The last one was Goff? Just draft a guy and hope for the best. It’s still a gamble, but with considerably better odds.